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US soldiers "killed Afghans for sport and collected fingers"

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[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/09/us-soldiers-afghan-civilians-fingers[/url]
[QUOTE][b]Twelve American soldiers face trial over an secret "kill team" that allegedly blew up and shot Afghan civilians at random and collected their fingers as trophies.[/b]

Five of the soldiers are charged with murdering three Afghan men who were allegedly killed for sport in separate attacks this year. Seven other soldiers are accused of covering up the killings as well as a violent assault on a new recruit who exposed the murders when he reported other abuses, including members of the unit smoking hashish stolen from civilians.

In one of the most serious accusations of war crimes to emerge from the Afghan conflict, the killings are alleged to have been carried out by members of a Stryker infantry brigade based in Kandahar province. According to investigators and legal documents, discussion of killing Afghan civilians began after the arrival of Staff Sergeant Calvin Gibbs at forward operating base Ramrod last November Other soldiers later told the army's criminal investigation command that Gibbs boasted of the things he got away with while serving in Iraq and before long was remarking on how easy it would be to "toss a grenade at someone and kill them".

One soldier said he believed Gibbs was "feeling out the platoon".

[b]According to investigators, Gibbs, 25, shortly afterwards hatched a plan with another soldier, Jeremy Morlock, 22, and other members of the unit to form a "kill team". While on patrol over the following months they allegedly killed at least three Afghan civilians.[/b]

According to the charge sheet, the first target was Gul Mudin, who was killed "by means of throwing a fragmentary grenade at him and shooting him with a rifle", when the patrol entered the village of La Mohammed Kalay in January.

Morlock and another soldier, Andrew Holmes, were on guard at the edge of a poppy field when Mudin emerged and stopped on the other side of a wall from the soldiers. Gibbs allegedly handed Morlock a grenade who armed it and dropped it over the wall next to the Afghan and dived for cover. Holmes, 19, then allegedly fired over the wall.

[b]Later in the day, Morlock is alleged to have told Holmes that the killing was for fun and threatened him if he told anyone.[/b]

The second victim, Marach Agha, was shot and killed the following month. Gibbs is alleged to have shot him and placed a Kalashnikov next to the body to justify the killing.

In May, Mullah Adadhdad was killed after being shot and attacked with a grenade.

[b]The Army Times reported that a least one of the soldiers collected the fingers of the victims as souvenirs and that some of them posed for photographs with the bodies.[/b]

Five soldiers – Gibbs, Morlock, Holmes, Michael Wagnon and Adam Winfield – are accused of murder and aggravated assault among other charges. All of the soldiers have denied the charges. They face the death penalty or life in prison if convicted.

The killings came to light in May after the army began investigating a brutal assault on a soldier who told superiors that members of his unit were smoking hashish. The Army Times reported that members of the unit regularly smoked the drug while on duty and sometimes stole it from civilians at checkpoints or while on patrol.

The soldier, who was straight out of basic training and has not been named, said he witnessed the widespread smoking of hashish and drinking of smuggled alcohol but initially did not report it out of loyalty to his comrades. But when he returned from a week-long assignment at an army headquarters and discovered soldiers using the shipping container in which he was billeted to smoke hashish he reported it to a sergeant he trusted. Two days later, several members of his platoon, including Gibbs and Morlock, accused him of "snitching", gave him a severe beating and told him to keep his mouth shut. However the soldier reported the beating and threats to his officers and then told investigators what he knew of the "kill team".

Following the arrest of the original five accused in June, seven other soldiers were charged last month with attempting to cover up the killings, blocking the investigation and violent assault on the soldier who reported the smoking of hashish. The 74 charges against the 12 soldiers include accusations of illegal drug and alcohol use.

The charges will be considered by a military grand jury later this month which will decided if there is enough evidence to proceed with a court martial.

Army investigators say Morlock has admitted his involvement in the killings and given details about the role of others including Gibbs. However, his civilian lawyer, Michael Waddington, is seeking to have that confession suppressed because he says his client was interviewed while under the influence of prescription drugs taken for battlefield injuries and that he was also suffering from traumatic brain injury.

"Our position is that his statements were incoherent, and taken while he was under a cocktail of drugs that shouldn't have been mixed," Waddington told the Seattle Times.[/QUOTE]

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Never mistake the actions of the few to be the mindset of the many.

But yeah, we need to bring our guys home ASAfugginP!

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How can you shoot women or children?
Easy! Ya just don't lead 'em so much! Ain't war hell?

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I can't wait until someone turns this into a conspiracy thread. I bet I just started it...

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whenever people say "a few bad apples" they always forget how the rest of that saying goes.

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[quote name='Fiz']whenever people say "a few bad apples" they always forget how the rest of that saying goes.[/QUOTE]
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"...spoils the appearance of the whole bunch"
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The rotten apples sent our guys over there.

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[quote name='ChucktownK'][B]
"...spoils the appearance of the whole bunch"
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The rotten apples sent our guys over there.[/QUOTE]

our guys are literally the bottom rung of society who joined the military because they lost their job at kauffman tire.

these people shouldn't be white knighted.

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Nothing on how Iran is paying the Taliban to kill American soldiers?

Why?

Cuz fiz hates America.

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[quote name='Fiz']our guys are literally the bottom rung of society who joined the military because they lost their job at kauffman tire.

these people shouldn't be white knighted.[/QUOTE]

But they all shouldn't be painted with a broad brush (is that the saying?).

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[quote name='Fiz']our guys are literally the bottom rung of society who joined the military because they lost their job at kauffman tire.

these people shouldn't be white knighted.[/QUOTE]

There is no argument here on the recruits we have resorted to...

...on that note, I'm not resorting to the 60s way of treating our troops who have wrongly been to sent to fight. It's just not fair.

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[quote name='Jangler']Nothing on how Iran is paying the Taliban to kill American soldiers?

Why?

Cuz fiz hates America.[/QUOTE]

How about how we're paying the Taliban for different things?

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We took ears in 'Nam

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[quote name='ChucktownK']There is no argument here on the recruits we have resorted to...

...on that note, I'm not resorting to the 60s way of treating our troops who have wrongly been to sent to fight. It's just not fair.[/QUOTE]

actually most of the treatment of troops in the 60s is an absolute myth, and the only people that treated them badly were the CIA agents getting them addicted to heroin.

Find me one picture of a troop getting spit on.

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[quote name='Jangler']Nothing on how Iran is paying the Taliban to kill American soldiers?

Why?

Cuz fiz hates America.[/QUOTE]

dude everyone pays the Taliban to do shit.

in the mid nineties we were paying them to let us build pipe lines in afghanistan

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What does that have to with an liberal attack on the soldiers, other than you just want to demonize the soldiers and y'all have been trying for years and it's not working like it did in the 60s and 70s. Don't worry I'm sure the great hope well get'em out....:lol: I mean he still has to earn that Nobel Peace Prize.
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the "liberal" attacks on the soldiers literally did not happen, but it's funny you attribute that to the left when the republican candidate nixon wanted to end the war because in his own words the soldiers "couldn't get it done."

that nixon quote actually happened. hippies spitting on soldiers didn't

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and why shouldn't they be ridiculed jangler?

after all, aren't they unqualified, barely literate degenerates who can't get a job in this country? who receive free room, board, healthcare, education and job training, not to mention foreign travel, for absolutely no justifiable purpose?

soldiers are the real welfare queens imho
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[quote name='Jangler']What does that have to with an liberal attack on the soldiers, other than you just want to demonize the soldiers and y'all have been trying for years and it's not working like it did in the 60s and 70s. Don't worry I'm sure the great hope well get'em out....:lol: I mean he still has to earn that Nobel Peace Prize.[/QUOTE]

What does Iran have anything do to with a liberal attack on the soldiers?

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crime, drug abuse, recidivism and unemployment are all much higher among veterans. aren't these the people you detest?

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[quote name='Fiz']soldiers are the real welfare queens imho[/QUOTE]

I get what you're saying, but I wouldn't compare soldiers to the "real" welfare queens.

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Screw the freakin taliban assholes. Cut em up. At least 'til they sign the Geneva Accords.

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[quote name='Dockery']I get what you're saying, but I wouldn't compare soldiers to the "real" welfare queens.[/QUOTE]

well the "real" welfare queens were an invention by the reagan adminstration, much like Qadaffi, Granada, and "The Jackal"

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[quote name='Fiz']well the "real" welfare queens were an invention by the reagan adminstration, much like Qadaffi, Granada, and "The Jackal"[/QUOTE]

Just to note, I quoted the word real to differentiate between your claim that soldiers are welfare queens and the generally accepted "definition" of welfare queens.

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well people generally accept bullshit and are stupid as shit

follow me....i shall guide you to the light

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That's not a light...it's a supernova. Have fun.
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