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[URL="http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/spor...h_breakdo.html"][COLOR=#22229c]http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/spor...h_breakdo.html[/COLOR][/URL]
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[URL]http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columnists/hyde/blog/2011/02/draft_winds_a_thorough_breakdo.html[/URL]

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Legendary 9th post.

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this is already being talked about in another cam newton thread, but it's an interesting read. I more found the video clips near the end interesting.

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Cam Newton breakdance.

[IMG]http://break-dancing.co.cc/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/break_dance.jpg[/IMG]

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Not a bad post.... sometimes things like this get lost in a thread, escp one that get super long. I did not read the whole thing because it was to long and much. I did skim through, watch some of the videos, and read the conclusion.

I dont know what the Panthers should do, but hope they are seriously looking into and considering Cam.

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The run first section is the must read if the article.
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Plagerism = bad.

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The most interesting comment: 6 Teams (including Miami, I assume) rate Cam Newton the top player in the draft. TRADE!!!!

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Plagerism = bad.[/QUOTE]
the quote was from the linked article.

here: [URL]http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columnists/hyde/blog/2011/02/draft_winds_a_thorough_breakdo.html[/URL]

and since teeray deleted the quote...here it is. the whole article, though long, is really well worth the read, esp for those on the borderline or who haven't totally closed their minds to him.
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[B]Style (the myth of the ‘run-first’ quarterback)[/B]
Cam Newton has another stigma associated with him that he can’t seem to shake. Some people like to consider him a ‘run-first’ quarterback. They might use the term ‘running’ quarterback, or any number of designations meant to convey the point that Newton is one of a long line of option quarterbacks at the college level that were glorified running backs and lack the passing skills to compete at the next level.
Miami Dol-Fans have some not-so-pleasant experience with that kind of quarterback in Pat White, drafted in the 2nd round on the promise that he could serve as the lead man in the Dolphins’ Wildcat 2.0 attack, while simultaneously training on his passing skills to where he could compete for the right to be considered a true franchise starter. Those that are quick to label a player this way are often firm in belief that the odds are stacked against this kind of player because his instincts tell them to bail on the play too quickly. While they are adamant that this kind of player cannot succeed, they are often short on definitions or methodology for determining if a quarterback is run-first.
Rather than settle for their Potter Stewart-esque explanations (“I know it when I see it”), we at Universal Draft have chosen to rely on facts and figures, isolating details rather than buying vagaries. The natural and undeniable conclusion is that nobody should accuse Cameron Newton of being a ‘run-first’ quarterback, or a glorified running back, or anything of the kind. The fact of the matter is we have isolated every single snap (both pass and run) of Cam Newton’s over his final six games against Ole Miss, Chattanooga, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina and Oregon. What we found is that Newton only scrambled for yardage on a total of 15 of 169 pass snaps. The other 80 or so runs were called as run plays from the sidelines. The rate (just under 9%) at which Newton pulled down the ball and ran for yardage rather than continuing to try and pass the ball, was comparable with the rate at which Aaron Rodgers did the same (just under 8%) for the Green Bay Packers during the 2010 regular season, according to Pro Football Focus.
Of course, there’s more than that. Cynics may reply that a ‘run-first’ guy may still ultimately pass the ball but he is far too quick to give up on the pocket and begin scrambling around to try and make something happened. This would naturally mean that a large percentage of Newton’s throws came while scrambling around and making something happen. However, according to our research, only about 1 in 5 of Newton’s pass attempts during those final six games came under these conditions. Again according to Pro Football Focus, Aaron Rodgers threw a little over 1 in 5 of his pass attempts while ‘Under Pressure’.
The reality is that when Cam Newton was being recruited out of Westlake High School, he had to dispel scouts of the complete opposite notion, that he was just a pure pocket passer that didn’t use his feet to hurt teams. Here is a quote dated March 22nd, 2006 in a report about Newton’s recruiting prospects:
Some have labeled Newton as a pure pocket passer but he is quick to discard that assessment. “I used to just sit back in the pocket but now with defensive ends running 4.6 forty’s you have to be able to move around and make plays with your feet," he said. “Now, I consider myself a guy who can run and pass. I really like to sit back and throw the ball but if you give me some space I’ll tuck it and run.”
Consider another quote from a Recruiting Editor for TigerSportsDigest.com, dated May 2, 2006:
Newton, a 6-5, 220-pounder out of Atlanta (Ga.) Westlake, surprised nearly everyone in attendance when he posted a 4.51 in the 40-yard dash.
Everyone was well aware that he had a big league arm that could make all of the throws, but bringing his speed down from a 4.8 to a 4.5 makes him all the more dangerous when things break down in the pocket.
The fact that Newton had to go out of his way to dispel recruiters of the notion that he was just a pure pocket passer is not terribly shocking, if you’ve tracked what Newton did at Westlake High, where they ran the option “maybe twice a game” according to Cam back in 2006.
Additionally, if one were to study what Newton did at Blinn College, they would find a player that was not asked to run the ball as often as at Auburn. As Cecil Newton put it in discussing why they chose Blinn College, “He's going to get to take some snaps from under center out there at Blinn and the coaching staff there is well versed in a pro style scheme.”
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[quote name='MHS831']The most interesting comment: 6 Teams (including Miami, I assume) rate Cam Newton the top player in the draft. TRADE!!!![/QUOTE]that would be at least 6 teams. if we are one of those teams, and i hope we are, we would be fools to pass up on him and trade down.

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[quote name='rayzor']the quote was from the linked article.

here: [URL]http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columnists/hyde/blog/2011/02/draft_winds_a_thorough_breakdo.html[/URL]

and since teeray deleted the quote...here it is. the whole article, though long, is really well worth the read, esp for those on the borderline or who haven't totally closed their minds to him.[/QUOTE]

I found this an interesting part about being a pocket passer in h.s and having to convince the opposite that he could run.

[QUOTE]The reality is that when Cam Newton was being recruited out of Westlake High School, he had to dispel scouts of the complete opposite notion, that he was just a pure pocket passer that didn’t use his feet to hurt teams. Here is a quote dated March 22nd, 2006 in a report about Newton’s recruiting prospects:
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I've heard him compared to Big Ben but he was reminding me of Rivers watching those. He was successful even with that stupid offence he had to run, and when it comes down to the hard situations they win or lose on throws that he was capable of making. Overall if Bradford can go number then Cam should, and it would upset me to see him go to a horrible franchise like Washington or Buffalo.

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That is an absolutely outstanding article. Whoever wrote it obviously put a LOT of work into it and know their sh**.

[QUOTE]Due to our extensive research and subsequent high opinion of Cam Newton’s talent level, our belief that his mechanical issues are of the easy-to-sort-out variety, our belief that his poor decision-making off the field is most likely behind him, and our belief that Newton has exceptional work ethic and is very coachable, we believe that Cam Newton could and probably should go #1 overall to the Carolina Panthers. However, this is a strange process, and the looming CBA negotiations may figure into what happens on Draft day in some unforeseen way. Newton would not have to fall very far in order for him to be legitimately acquirable by the Miami Dolphins in a trade.

We believe that Newton’s pure talent is unique and does not come along but perhaps once in a decade. If he were a three-year starter with a spotless character history, we believe he would be accounted along with Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer as among the elite prospects to have come out at the position in the last 15 years. We do not believe he is that kind of prospect, because there is something to be said for his character questions and lack of experience, but nonetheless we have seen far worse quarterback prospects get selected in the top 5 of the NFL Draft, and we believe he should have a spot in that area of the 2011 NFL Draft. And if the Miami Dolphins want to secure their QB position for the next decade, then there should be some serious investigations into what it would take to get up to select him if Carolina passes.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much sums up my feelings 100%.

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I thought it was a really good article, but the best part was the first two or three videos. They were what I've been looking for, pure passing videos. Nearly every video of his is roughly 3/4 full of runs. I'm not really interested in that part of his game, everyone (including him) knows that part of his game is going to be diminished in the pros. I think the kid has a great shot at being a very good NFL QB. Wish him the best. If the Panthers FO deem him worthy of #1 I'll support him, though he's still not my #1 option (still too risky, in my opinion).

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Excellant article...thank you for sharing it.He is a freak of an athelete.His lack of maturity when younger is costing him coupled with comparisons of JRussell.

I can understand where doubters are coming from but I see him with more raw talent and upside than anyone in the draft.

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[quote name='JawnyBlaze']If the Panthers FO deem him worthy of #1 I'll support him, though he's still not my #1 option (still too risky, in my opinion).[/QUOTE]

That's how I feel at this point... and I've come a LONG way to get to that point. I'm not in love with any of the other prospects at this point, so that would make accepting him being drafted easier.

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<------------mancrush on Cam Newton; good article and post

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Ok, so after the article I feel a lot better about Newton as a QB... the character parts though were the biggest for me

[QUOTE]We find the problems at University of Florida to be more damning than issues of Cecil Newton’s demanding pay-for-play from Mississippi State. [/QUOTE]
I agree with this

[QUOTE] That infectious smile you see at the conclusion of every game is genuine. In my three decades of working in the media and in public relations, I've dealt with countless athletes and I can honestly say none compare to Cam Newton. This is a young man who readily admits his lack of judgment in the computer incident (at Florida) and who humbly asked for a second chance.”[/QUOTE]
makes me feel a little better

[QUOTE] But Cam was out there in the rain, throwing passes on the weekend when we were at the lake. He was dragging receivers out there with him. That kind of work ethic prepared our guys to follow him."[/QUOTE]
There was a lot more about this in the article.... makes me start liking hims a litte

The Team Newton thing, along with some lingering character issues are the biggest things for me now.

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Yeah, "team Newton" concerns me a little, too. More in terms of IF we pick him that they may all be in his ear telling him to hold out for more money.

But otherwise... I was for taking him before, but after reading that article and watching those videos I'm even more excited at the possibility of this guy being our QB of the future. He'd certainly bring a level of excitement to the QB position that we've never even come close to having. The sad thing is that by the time he's ready to play Steve Smith will likely be on his way out, which sucks.

Imagine those two in-sync on Sunday afternoon... :lurk5:

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I can't imagine not drafting Newton. Every pick is a gamble, and what decision has the best chance to increase the odds of the team making it to the Superbowl? Newton imo.

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Yeah this article just solidified my man crush as well. I truly believe that when the smoke clears he is the number 1 pick or at least the number one QB overall.

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[quote name='teeray']Yeah this article just solidified my man crush as well. I truly believe that when the smoke clears he is the number 1 pick or at least the number one QB overall.[/QUOTE]

This is the way I am starting to feel. I know there is hype, and players end up being busts... but the more I read and learn about Cam and as it relates to the state of the Panthers at the QB position... I am pretty close to being on the draft him #1 train.

I really hope the coaching staff and Hurney are seriously looking into and considering drafting him. Otherwise we are going to be having this conversation next offseason, and possibly the one after that.

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Just imagine where Cam's numbers would have been if his WR's wouldn't have dropped some of those throws that hit them right in the hands.

People are complaining about him not always having perfect footwork, but how many times do you see NFL QB's have to make throws with people around their feet or in their face, and they can't step in to it? It's nice to know your QB can make a play from odd angles or with only his arm, if he has to, because he [B]will [/B]have to in the NFL.

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[quote name='Jackofalltrades']

Source, link or it gets deleted.

Plagerism = bad.[/QUOTE]

I take it that the original poster tried to quote the entire article without posting the link?

As one of the two authors of the article, I thank you.
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