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Chris Harris trade a year later

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I know a bunch of people (including myself), were up in arms when the Panthers traded Harris to the Bears. I looked up the stats this morning from 2010 and figured I would share:

Chris Harris - age 28, 7 yrs. in NFL
2010 - 70 tackles, 5 interceptions

Charles Godfrey - age 25, 4 yrs. in NFL
2010 - 84 tackles, 5 interceptions

Sherrod Martin - age 26, 3 yrs. in NFL
2010 - 85 tackles, 1 int.

On paper it appears that we got more production, for less money, and younger legs. Just thought it was interesting.

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I also found it interesting. All the while people were whining when we started the youth movement i was applauding. When we lost Pep i hoped that CJ and or Brown would step it up. Our young guys have gained valuable experience and some have shined with more playing time. Pickles was the turd in the punch. But then again what did we expect with lame duck coaching, oline shake up, and a rookie QB.

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"A bigger turd will leave a bigger mark"- Neitzchke or Pat Sajak, I get them confused.

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I think people were whining because we saw a 2-14 team, while the office didn't. Mixed with a complete refusal to sign any worth FA's or experience on the field. Going young was a good idea, but don't be naive, going young was a blanket term for last year. There were other motives.

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I am not defending the front office, but I thought this was interesting. I bet if you pull Kometeau's numbers you will find similar results. Ultimately, the collapse of this team last year was attributed to letting Jake go and miscalculating Moore's talent. I thought it was time for Jake to go as well, but I don't think there is any doubt we would have been a lot better team last year with him. I guess we all got what we wished for.

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While we are on the subject -

Julius Peppers - 2010 54 tackles, 8 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 2 int
AGE - 31
Charles Johnson - 2010 62 tackles, 11.5 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 0 int
AGE - 24
*CJ doesn't cost $17 million a year and doesn't take plays off*

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defenses that get off the field tend to have less "production"

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[quote name='FortySixand2']I think people were whining because we saw a 2-14 team, while the office didn't. Mixed with a complete refusal to sign any worth FA's or experience on the field. Going young was a good idea, but don't be naive, going young was a blanket term for last year. There were other motives.[/QUOTE]

Nobody thought the offense would be the main reason for 2-14 though. Moose was about the only one of those veterans who could have made a slight difference.

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[quote name='Jase']defenses that get off the field tend to have less "production"[/QUOTE]

touche but the players we let go didn't cause the collapse - we got similar production on defense with younger players that can only improve.

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Moore was not the reason that the team sucked last year and Jake certainly wouldn't have helped.

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[quote name='Jase']defenses that get off the field tend to have less "production"[/QUOTE]

Defenses that have offenses that are mostly three and out also have more "production".

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[quote name='Davidson Deac II']Defenses that offenses that are mostly three and out also have more "production".[/QUOTE]

^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Fresher legs leads to more production throughout a game. Especially for stats like sacks. If a defense is holding a team to multiple 3 and outs it usually translates into more passing downs in the course of a game. Whereas a team thats offense is on the field all day tends to run much more later in the game.

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Also, the only player that we let go that would have added wins was Delhomme.

Not because he is worth a damn, but if Jake would have been here then Fox probably wouldn't have totally shit the bed in the coaching department last season.
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[quote name='jtm']While we are on the subject -

Julius Peppers - 2010 54 tackles, 8 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 2 int
AGE - 31
Charles Johnson - 2010 62 tackles, 11.5 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 0 int
AGE - 24
*CJ doesn't cost $17 million a year and doesn't take plays off*[/QUOTE]

Yeah I said this last offseason (and I believe even in the 09 offseason when I said we should have save ourselves the money) and people thought I was crazy for saying Johnson was the more consistent and better all around DE. Peppers was way too hot and cold.

Johnson was a steal. Don Gregory is the sh$%. Look how much better our drafts have looked since he was signed in 06'.

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Carolina's and Chicago's defenses were both on the field more than the offense.

TOP
Chicago - 29:31
Carolina - 27:24

Total Defensive Plays
Chicago - 1002
Carolina - 1060

These numbers aren't that different.

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How many big plays were given up by Godfrey, and compare that to Harris? Let's not forget the physicality that Harris brought to the run defense as well, and Godfrey getting abused like a wife by Peyton Hillis

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[quote name='Ohio']How many big plays were given up by Godfrey, and compare that to Harris? Let's not forget the physicality that Harris brought to the run defense as well, and Godfrey getting abused like a wife by Peyton Hillis[/QUOTE]

Godfrey was not the only player to get abused by Hillis. Hillis trucked guys twice the size of Godfrey all of last year.

While Godfrey did give up some big plays, people forget that Harris was forgettable the year before. How many "Highlight Hits" did he wiff on? Harris is a good safety but the difference between Harris and Godfrey and/or Martin is minimal.

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I'd be willing to bet Harris got burnt his fair share too.

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[quote name='OneBadassCat']I'd be willing to bet Harris got burnt his fair share too.[/QUOTE]

Well, I watched all of his highlight videos and in none of them did he get burned.

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Speaking of this trade J Williams only tallied 2 tackles and only played in 3 games. Sounds like a lousy trade to me. But I guess he's depth.

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We had the 5th most plays from the line of scrimmage. We certainly got a lot of opportunity to make plays. It tends to really help your defensive stats when your offense is 32nd in the league....jus sayin.

Harris is a player and a leader. FYI, if your safeties are making all those tackles, then your DLs and LBs are missing.....LOL

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I still miss Harris, he was a great guy and a heck of a player. Hate that the Bears got him back for next to nothing

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[quote name='House']Well, I watched all of his highlight videos and in none of them did he get burned.[/QUOTE]

Most "highlight videos" show GOOD highlights for a player. They aren't going to show bad plays or it would be called lowlights.

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This argument will go both ways until this thread dies.

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[quote name='Ohio Panther']Most "highlight videos" show GOOD highlights for a player. They aren't going to show bad plays or it would be called lowlights.[/QUOTE]

Wow, I never thought of that. Maybe I should re-think my position on the greatness of Richie Incognito. Which I had based on a 34 second YouTube clip and the coolness of his last name.

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