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Decent read on our RB coach from panthers.com

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[url]http://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/A-thousand-reasons-to-believe-in-Settle/0dc11fcd-dcf3-4755-bbe6-7a848b37a220[/url]

[Quote]"We've got a little work to do, making sure that we keep DeAngelo in the fold, but with Jonathan Stewart, Mike Goodson and Tyrell Sutton, we've got guys that are very talented and that have produced at this level," Settle said. "My job is to come in and teach them the offense, then let their athletic ability take over."[/Quote]

Sounds like he wants to keep Williams, but also has faith in the other guys we have.

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Sounds like he can squeeze out some more production out of our already productive backs. I wonder if he'll split the carries more or not.

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Pretty sure any coach would want D. Williams in the fold.

He has a plan. Hope it works out as he invisions it.

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Williams is worth another 4-5 year contract. We may not need him desperately but he is important in more ways than one. I believe he can even add more ways with a new coaching staff who uses him and guys like Goodson more efficiently. With all this cap room why not? Isn't that the advantage of having such a low cap, to have more better players and isn't the low cap the entire point to the 2010 season? Can you genuinely name a offensive player we are more likley to sign that could contribute more? Doubtful. There is not good argument against not signing him unless the money would make the difference of signing someone else just as good, but that reason was taking care of by JR and the suffering of the fans.

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DeAngelo is the kind of player and man that you want to build around... I know there's a lot of arguments about how RB's are interchangeable in the NFL today, and I see that, but this is a guy that can be the heart and soul of the offense.
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[quote name='nc_biscuit']DeAngelo is the kind of player and man that you want to build around... I know there's a lot of arguments about how RB's are interchangeable in the NFL today, and I see that, but this is a guy that can be the heart and soul of the offense.[/QUOTE]

This is the belief by many, but there isn't any evidence to support this theory. There are plenty of one year wonders, but that is all they are. Look at the history of the Panthers, DW is the only elite back we have ever had and we historically have run the ball more than any other team. Could also argue that Stephen Davis was an elite back for 1.5 years.

We have had more backs that are average than great. This is a fact.

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no one questions williams's ability. he has talent, no doubt.

it's his durability and lack of ability to play thru injuries that's the concern.

would i re-sign him. yes.

would i cringe if he has to carry the ball 200+ times a season from here on out? yes.

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[quote name='jtm']Could also argue that Stephen Davis was an elite back for 1.5 years.[/QUOTE]

maybe you should check davis's stats for the 1999-2001 seasons...before he came to carolina.

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[quote name='jtm']This is the belief by many, but there isn't any evidence to support this theory. There are plenty of one year wonders, but that is all they are. Look at the history of the Panthers, DW is the only elite back we have ever had and we historically have run the ball more than any other team. Could also argue that Stephen Davis was an elite back for 1.5 years.

We have had more backs that are average than great. This is a fact.[/QUOTE]
You are a lil' confused. As the panthers were a pass heavy team until John Fox.

Stewart is a great back, but I see ya left him out of the conversation.

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[quote name='number28']no one questions williams's ability. he has talent, no doubt.

it's his durability and lack of ability to play thru injuries that's the concern.

would i re-sign him. yes.

would i cringe if he has to carry the ball 200+ times a season from here on out? yes.[/QUOTE]

i agree with this

the main reason deangelo and jonathan are what they are is because they compliment eachother. stewart would not have the effectiveness he has without williams, and vice versa. the tandem is what makes these two backs sought after. i don't see stewart being the runner he is with a compliment like goodson. people think that goodson and williams are interchangeable, and that is just not the case. if deangelo were to leave to a team where he was the main event back, and with no compliment, and getting 200+ carries, he's not going to be the back that he has been here. i hope these two both retire panthers and keep a good thing going. i think it's going to happen.



p.s. i love deangelo. stewart you too.

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Yeah the best thing about Williams is that he has JStew backing him up. Both are awesome backs, and would a #1 RB on any other team.

But with having them together, they don't have to be on the field every down. Both have the ability to break a run, shed tackles, and score. It is one of the best RB tandems in the history of the NFL, and to break it up would be unwise.

Especially with Cam coming in as a rookie, and still uncertain at the QB position, it is key to have a running game to fall back on and take pressure off the QB. JStew and DWill provide that, and they need to stay put.

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[quote name='number28']maybe you should check davis's stats for the 1999-2001 seasons...before he came to carolina.[/QUOTE]

Why? I don't care what he did for the Redskins because I am talking about Panther elite running backs. He really only played for us 1.5 years based on all the injuries he had after his first year with us. He had close to 1500 yard that year, got injured the next year, then injured again and released. I love Stephen Davis, but don't understand what you are getting at.

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[quote name='pantherclaw']You are a lil' confused. As the panthers were a pass heavy team until John Fox.

Stewart is a great back, but I see ya left him out of the conversation.[/QUOTE]

I left him out of the conversation because I don't consider him an elite back. Maybe he will be one day, but he hasn't shown he can be an every down back through a whole season.

My whole point is everyone thinks that running backs grow on trees, but they don't. Prove me wrong then. Panthers have been around for 15 years....so how many elite backs have the Panthers employed?

Even if you say 3 (DW, Stew, Davis), and I don't agree with that, but for argument sake, that is only 1 back every 5 years. Actually longer than that b/c DW and Stew are playing at the same time. As I said before, running backs don't grow on trees.

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[quote name='jtm']I left him out of the conversation because I don't consider him an elite back. Maybe he will be one day, but he hasn't shown he can be an every down back through a whole season.[/QUOTE]

that's because he hasn't been given the chance...much like williams when he was first drafted. stewart has yet to actually compete for the starting job.

you may be one of only a hand full of people who doesn't already believe stewart is a 16 game/every down back.

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Breaking up Double Trouble should never be on the table unless we can get someone to give us a trade much like what Cleveland got for trading with Atlanta for Julio... Anything short of that would be ridiculous imho.

I've had the chance to personally hang out with DeAngelo and J-Stew a few times and they are both terrific guys. Really cool, really layed back and chill. DeAngelo is a great father. They're just a couple of the guys really... Only they're both phenomenal athletes. I would be absolutely heart broken if we ever got rid of either of them. Two stand up guys that have a lot of fun together and they absolutely love their fans. More NFL players should emulate what these guys are doing. We should all be proud that they represent our organization at such a high level.

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Sutton is nothing but raw untapped talent. Anytime he has been giving carrying opportunities he has produced. If we fix the QB problem, we should be fine with Stew, Goodson, and Sutton.

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I love Sutton. He has definitely been the consummate professional and has done everything the coaches have asked. He even played FB for us... I mean DAMN. He's not a big dude at all... But I'd pick DeAngelo over him 10 times out of 10!

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[quote name='jtm']I left him out of the conversation because I don't consider him an elite back. Maybe he will be one day, but he hasn't shown he can be an every down back through a whole season.

My whole point is everyone thinks that running backs grow on trees, but they don't. Prove me wrong then. Panthers have been around for 15 years....so how many elite backs have the Panthers employed?

Even if you say 3 (DW, Stew, Davis), and I don't agree with that, but for argument sake, that is only 1 back every 5 years. Actually longer than that b/c DW and Stew are playing at the same time. As I said before, running backs don't grow on trees.[/QUOTE]

D. Williams isn't an every down back. So by your own guide lines, williams isn't an elite back either.

Fact is, stewart has proven he can carry an offense. While he hasn't stole the starting role away from williams, he has stepped up, and had some of his best games without williams.

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Goodson dat deal

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I was thrilled to see Settle's name as the RB coach when he was hired. I've always wondered what team would take him from the college ranks first. I think he will do a fine job. My dad says to this day the hardest he has ever been hit was from John Settle.

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[quote name='MrTouchdown']Goodson [B]with crazy glue on his hands[/B] dat deal[/QUOTE]

There... Fixed it.

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[quote name='jtm']We have had more backs that are average than great. This is a fact.[/QUOTE]

That is a fact for pretty much all 32 teams. Personally, I believe Stewart is above average too though.

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Williams did have some injuries but I suspect we held him out of games longer than we had to because we have Stewart and Goodson. Williams is our most elusive back and the best back catching the ball out of the backfield. He works great against a team which has big players but not as fast on the edges and on cutbacks. This complements Stewart who is not as quick but rarely goes down with initial contact. He works best against teams that have fast guys but they are not necessarily big. Each has different skill sets so it isn't just a 2 back system but the ability to situationally play them against different defenses who have different strengths and weaknesses. Plus as teams wear out and get slower as the game progresses, Williams can beat them to the edges and Stewart can keep pounding them and wearing them out.

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at this point, I just am not sold on goodson - he fumbled too many times last season- dont know if it had anything to do with be tired or not but he needs to learn to hold onto the damn ball first

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[quote name='Hairless Cat']at this point, I just am not sold on goodson - he fumbled too many times last season- dont know if it had anything to do with be tired or not but he needs to learn to hold onto the damn ball first[/QUOTE]

All he needs is a lesson on ball security, that's all. He's also a force on special teams. He's a draft steal no doubt.

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