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/r/nfl trying to say Dalton deserves RoTY over Newton

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Over in reddit. Most aren't buying it, though.

[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/lftn5/dae_think_andy_dalton_is_making_a_stronger_case/[/url]

Ah, the old "media hyping him up" routine. . .

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[quote name='OnlyPantherfaninMaine']Wins work wonders.[/QUOTE]

If we had played the Bungles schedule we'd have them in spades.

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while dalton is exceeding expectations as well, he isn't doing what cam is. he's doing more game managing with a great defense than carrying the team on his back all 4 quarters. cam has had to deal with a bottom 3 defense/special teams which keeps blowing games. i'm sure if the QBs switched, cincy would be as good or better and we'd be worse off. also aj green is probably more deserving of the award than andy.

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uhhh this is a fucking joke. well see what dalton does vs the ravens d then we can have this discussion.

i think dalton will be a great nfl qb but he is not doing the same thing newton is doing.

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It helps when your rookie QB has an actual NFL defense to not blow the game when he puts up 400 yards passing.

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inb4grits/blows/his/load/and/derails/thread.

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I cant wait to see how well Cam does against a team he has already played before. If he starts a good record in repeats then its game over.This years schedule may have been the best thing for Newton.

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[quote name='OnlyPantherfaninMaine']Wins work wonders.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, especially when ur on a much better team than the Panthers and u have a,..wait for it...wait for it....top ten DEFENSE with a pretty good offense to aid u in your transition as a rookie QB. Sounds like a very fair comparison cause it seems even some of the folks on this site automatically expected Cam to fix all the issues with the Panthers just by throwing tons of TDs.

Anyway, judging by the fact that Dalton first game out, he left in the first half where he threw one td and the team won 24-20, shows that the Bengals is an already pretty complete team. Any decent QB could be doing what Dalton is doing. Heck Carson Palmer can step in and win games But I'm sure comparing him to Cam, who happens to be on the worst scoring team where QB was the least of their issue, can only help Dalton's cause. And let's not forget his receiver A.J. Green.

I will take nothing away from Dalton cause I never bought into the media spin that this year's drafted QBs were one of the worst bunch. I honestly felt that Jake, Cam, Mallett, Dalton, and even Ponder could excel if placed on the right team. My only suspect was Blaine. I personally felt he was the QB who was more second round pick than first.

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[quote name='fieryprophet']If we had played the Bungles schedule we'd have them in spades.[/QUOTE]

Correctiom...if u had the Bengals schedule and ur defense/special team relealized that the season has begun, u'd have them by spades.

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Well both have performed very well. Dalton has a much better td to int ratio, while Cam has thrown for more yards. Throw in Cam's running numbers, and he is probably the favorite for now, but not by as much as many panther fans would see it.

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It's week 6, there's not telling who will win. Didn't Vince Young win a couple years ago after only starting like the last 5 games of the season or something? No telling you will win..

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Because he's getting better each week, he has 3 games with over 100% QB rating versus only 1 by Cam, including 2 back to back, the past 2 weeks and ..........he's winning. He's a better game manager so far. He's also proven to be a better 4th quarter QB so far. Andy Dalton has had[B][U] 4 game winning drives[/U][/B] in the 4th quarter which all directly resulted in wins versus 1 by Cam. It's not even close.

Yards mean poo. Wins are what matters. 4th quarter points and drives to seal the game is what makes a QB stand out and a hero.

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how many pass attempts does Dalton have? Cam's throwing 30-40+ a game

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[quote name='FugginPoo']how many pass attempts does Dalton have? Cam's throwing 30-40+ a game[/QUOTE]

And whose fault is that? You wanna blame Dalton for being more efficient with his opportunities than Cam?

They score more points than us. That's what matters. They were able to put up 30 points on the Jaguars. We have had 3, 500 offensive yard games and can't manage to do more than 23 points unless it's in garbage time.

If we score on the 2 drives we typically give away points on then Cam won't have to throw for 40 times a game to try and catch up. But to answer your question Andy's had 189 passing attempts. Cam's got 40 more total for the year or about 7 extra attempts per game. Guess what? Most of those are practice attempts. How many of those have been in garbage time when we already lost the game? How many of those are when we are down going into the 4th quarter? How many of those are because he's less accurate than Dalton?

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Regardless of the schedule, if Cam Newton didn't also have a rookie coaching staff and a defense giving up close to 30 points a game, the Panthers would be at least 4-2 right now also.

Dalton has an experienced coaching staff, a good defense, and of course a weak schedule. Idiots need to quit overlooking the fact that the only way the Panthers will win most weeks is if their offense scores 35 points, because their defense is going to give up around 30.

Panthers have scored 27, 26, 23, 21 in four of the six games. For most NFL teams with an NFL-level defense, two of those would be guaranteed wins and the other two likely wins.

Not the Panthers...because their defense sucks.

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[quote name='ProBowler']Because he's getting better each week, he has 3 games with over 100% QB rating versus only 1 by Cam, including 2 back to back, the past 2 weeks and ..........he's winning. He's a better game manager so far. He's also proven to be a better 4th quarter QB so far. Andy Dalton has had[B][U] 4 game winning drives[/U][/B] in the 4th quarter which all directly resulted in wins versus 1 by Cam. It's not even close.

Yards mean poo. Wins are what matters. 4th quarter points and drives to seal the game is what makes a QB stand out and a hero.[/QUOTE]

He's playing sh*t teams too. If the defense had done it's fugging job and kept Brees from scoring a TD with 50 secs left Cam would have a game-winning drive against the Saints. Dalton is beating the fuggin' Browns.

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i am quite certain that cam would not be happy receiving ROTY if we continue to lose games. and that is a-o-mf-k with me.

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Who the hell gives a flying fuck.

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OBTW, I seem to remember Dalton beating Cam in the preseason...

Dalton is wonderful and because of it Cinci has just raped the Raiders.

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So we finally got rid of TRD and now we have to put up with Gritsrgreat..........

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I get a M.Sanchez (with a weaker arm, and more of a game manager) vibe from Dalton. It's amazing what a good defense can do for a team. It's even more amazing what a great defense can do for a team with a rookie qb.

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[quote name='Spaceballs83']So we finally got rid of TRD and now we have to put up with Gritsrgreat..........[/QUOTE]

He is Robin to TRD's Batman. You go get em, boy wonder!

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defense and opponents don't matter

/grits

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if the bengals end up in the playoffs and we're still stuck at the bottom I think you'd probably have to give it to dalton. Dalton has been completely solid and any other year he'd be getting much more exposure. But he has help...

Cam does not have help and yet he is playing well overall. If we can put together some wins, his "campaign" for roty would be helped significantly. As it is now, I can understand, based on wins, why some would argue Dalton should be in the conversation and maybe win it. Personally, I tend to see it as more of an individual award so I think Cam should win it, but the reality is how the team is doing plays into it, too

[quote name='fieryprophet']He's playing sh*t teams too. If the defense had done it's fugging job and kept Brees from scoring a TD with 50 secs left Cam would have a game-winning drive against the Saints. Dalton is beating the fuggin' Browns.[/QUOTE]

I think the point you're missing is that Dalton is actually winning.

Yes, they've had an easier schedule, but he can't control that. Yes, they have a FAR superior defense, but he can't control that. What he can control is beating a then-undefeated Bills team, beating the Jags, and dominating the Colts. Yes, easy tasks, but we struggled with the Jags and we've lost every other game. At what point did "feel good" losses to good teams become better than wins?

The reality is the Bengals are a better team and Dalton is playing well. Cam is also playing very well, and I think it's way too early in the season to be sure who will win the award.

Right now, I'd personally go with Cam but I think Dalton has played great and has a team many thought would be racing for luck in position to make a push for the playoffs.
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