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After watching John Wall last night

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I take back everything I said...I want that kid in CH, if even for a season. What a freak! Make it happen Roy!

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[quote name='Htar']I take back everything I said...I want that kid in CH, if even for a season. What a freak! Make it happen Roy![/quote]

I with you man. I have two friends in the triangle that have seen him play in person and were in awe.

No disrespect to Duke or UK but I truley believe his decision will be determined by whether or not Ty Lawson goes to the NBA. Ty leaves, he's coming to UNC but if for some reason Ty comes back then Carolina makes no since for Wall and he chooses UK or Duke.

Just call it a hunch.

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[quote name='Htar']I take back everything I said...I want that kid in CH, if even for a season. What a freak! Make it happen Roy![/quote]


Of course, it's a desperate act by Coach K if he recruits Wall, but great work by Roy if Wall chooses Carolina.

Whatever.

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There is a whole thread on this already...

But his decision isn't going to be based on Ty Lawson...I know that much.

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Where did u see Wall play?

I noticed he did not play in the McDonalds All-American game....I wonder why???

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[quote name='Htar']I take back everything I said...I want that kid in CH, if even for a season. What a freak! Make it happen Roy![/quote]
Really? After you trashed Coach K and Duke for taking an interest to him. You have really lost all credibility on here. If i didn't like someone to go to Duke i would say and not back down if they went there. Everything you say is shit. Not to mention you had to start your own thread to spew your shit. Why not post it in the John Wall thread like everyone else?

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I fucking love Carolina fans!

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[quote name='unicar15']There is a whole thread on this already...

[B]But his decision isn't going to be based on Ty Lawson...I know that much.[/[/B]QUOTE]

Why do you think this?

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[quote name='DWill'][quote name='unicar15']There is a whole thread on this already...

[B]But his decision isn't going to be based on Ty Lawson...I know that much.[/[/B]QUOTE]

Why do you think this?[/quote]

Because there are a million other reasons to pick or not pick UNC other than Ty Lawson. To say that if Lawson is gone then Wall is going to UNC is extremely misinformed.

This is how the game is played...I wouldn't be surprised if Roy doesn't even offer Wall before Wall makes his decision. At the Hoops summit he said that he would cut his list to 2 or 3 for the Jordan game. Then he said that he would try to make his decision a week after the Jordan game...That gives Roy 2 weeks to court, inform, and offer Wall. Not to mention UK, NCSU, and Duke (to a lesser extent) have been on him for the last 2 years (not Duke).

Also...there is trouble brewing in the Larry Drew camp. Apparently he and his dad are prettttty pissed that Roy is thinking of going after Wall after Drew just sat the bench the whole year in anticipation of getting a chance to play. It is just turning into a sticky situation with Wall in Chapel Hill and I think that Walls "advisors" will do everything possible to keep him out of the drama that could unfold.

Not to mention there was a huge deal made about Roy flying all the way to Iowa and then to Memphis to talk to Harrison Barnes and Casey Prather but no mention of him sitting down with John Wall. Its either going to come down to Wall realizing that waiting for UNC is stupid or Roy realizing that he is risking his fool-proof formula in order to go after a one and done.

THAT is why its not going to come down to Ty Lawsons decision..

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Because there are a million other reasons to pick or not pick UNC other than Ty Lawson. To say that if Lawson is gone then Wall is going to UNC is extremely misinformed.

This is how the game is played...I wouldn't be surprised if Roy doesn't even offer Wall before Wall makes his decision. At the Hoops summit he said that he would cut his list to 2 or 3 for the Jordan game. Then he said that he would try to make his decision a week after the Jordan game...That gives Roy 2 weeks to court, inform, and offer Wall. Not to mention UK, NCSU, and Duke (to a lesser extent) have been on him for the last 2 years (not Duke).

Also...there is trouble brewing in the Larry Drew camp. Apparently he and his dad are prettttty pissed that Roy is thinking of going after Wall after Drew just sat the bench the whole year in anticipation of getting a chance to play. It is just turning into a sticky situation with Wall in Chapel Hill and I think that Walls "advisors" will do everything possible to keep him out of the drama that could unfold.

Not to mention there was a huge deal made about Roy flying all the way to Iowa and then to Memphis to talk to Harrison Barnes and Casey Prather but no mention of him sitting down with John Wall. Its either going to come down to Wall realizing that waiting for UNC is stupid or Roy realizing that he is risking his fool-proof formula in order to go after a one and done.

THAT is why its not going to come down to Ty Lawsons decision..[/quote]

I certainly don't pretend to be as involved with college recruiting as you seem to be, nor do I want to be so I won't argue because you do make some good points. Plus I did say Wall making his decision based on Ty's staying or leaving is only a hunch, just my opinion. Anyway, thanks for the info and I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

By the way, what did you mean by Roy's fool proof formula.

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[quote name='DWill'][quote name='unicar15']

I certainly don't pretend to be as involved with college recruiting as you seem to be, nor do I want to be so I won't argue because you do make some good points. Plus I did say Wall making his decision based on Ty's staying or leaving is only a hunch, just my opinion. Anyway, thanks for the info and I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

By the way, what did you mean by Roy's fool proof formula.[/quote]

Meaning he will have a legit title contender once every four years and if he went out and recruited Wall for one year as opposed to sticking it out with Larry Drew it could hurt him in the long run. Idk just my observation...He's not in a good position to bring Wall in from a PR standpoint because then the next MCDs AA that comes along that needs until his Junior year to develop (a la Felton, Lawson, maybe Strickland) will say thanks but no thanks because he knows he could just get replaced by a one and doner that catches Roys eye.

K is not in that situation because Nolan Smith has had 2 years to prove he can play PG at an elite level and he hasn't done it...

Sid Lowe is obviously not in that position...

Calipari is not in that position because its a whole new team anyways

Roy is the only one with the dilemma of demoting a highly touted player to make room for a more highly touted player...Doesn't look good. And when recruiting is all about connections and who you know, losing the Atlanta area would not be good for business. Remember that Drew Sr. is an assistant with the Atlanta Hawks and is pretty influential out in California too.

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bottom line Wall is not going anywhere that he will not be able to be the Superstar....Whether this is Carolina, Duke, NCSU, Baylor, Kansas, or Kentucky. He wants to be the guy and doesn't want anybody change his style of play. Coach K and Roy Williams have said in and usually recruit "team" players first, and try to stay away from "star" players......There were reasons why neither team really went too hard on Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley, etc......They just did not fit the "team" Player role like the others those teams had recruited.

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[quote name='Tweeder']bottom line Wall is not going anywhere that he will not be able to be the Superstar....Whether this is Carolina, Duke, NCSU, Baylor, Kansas, or Kentucky. He wants to be the guy and doesn't want anybody change his style of play. Coach K and Roy Williams have said in and usually recruit "team" players first, and try to stay away from "star" players......There were reasons why neither team really went too hard on Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley, etc......They just did not fit the "team" Player role like the others those teams had recruited.[/quote]

What do Derrick Rose and Beasley have in common? No titles.

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[quote name='Tweeder']bottom line Wall is not going anywhere that he will not be able to be the Superstar....Whether this is Carolina, Duke, NCSU, Baylor, Kansas, or Kentucky. He wants to be the guy and doesn't want anybody change his style of play. Coach K and Roy Williams have said in and usually recruit "team" players first, and try to stay away from "star" players......There were reasons why neither team really went too hard on Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley, etc......They just did not fit the "team" Player role like the others those teams had recruited.[/quote]

I mostly agree with that other than the fact that Wall is being portrayed as a "me first" type of player when he isn't. The fact that it is taking him longer to make his decision is giving him a bit of a bad wrap that isn't really deserved.

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[quote name='Tweeder']bottom line Wall is not going anywhere that he will not be able to be the Superstar....Whether this is Carolina, Duke, NCSU, Baylor, Kansas, or Kentucky. He wants to be the guy and doesn't want anybody change his style of play. Coach K and Roy Williams have said in and usually recruit "team" players first, and try to stay away from "star" players......There were reasons why neither team really went too hard on Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley, etc......They just did not fit the "team" Player role like the others those teams had recruited.[/quote]

I mostly agree with that other than the fact that Wall is being portrayed as a "me first" type of player when he isn't. The fact that it is taking him longer to make his decision is giving him a bit of a bad wrap that isn't really deserved. And...Roy Williams didn't go after Rose because he had Ty Lawson and didn't go after Beasley because he had Hansbrough. Not to mention nobody really "went after" Beasley because he was just following around coaches that he knew...his recruitment never really opened up.

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[quote name='unicar15']I largely agree with that other than the fact that Wall is being portrayed as a "me first" type of player when he isn't. The fact that it is taking him longer to make his decision is giving him a bit of a bad wrap that isn't really deserved. And...Roy Williams didn't go after Rose because he had Ty Lawson and didn't go after Beasley because he had Hansbrough. Not to mention nobody really "went after" Beasley because he was just following around coaches that he knew...his recruitment never really opened up.[/quote]

maybe I shouldn't have protrayed him as the "me" first player, because honestly I know nothing about the kid except from what I have read n here and just what I have been reading and the media is protraying him as this type of player which I think is coming more from his "Handlers."

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[quote name='Britneck']Really? After you trashed Coach K and Duke for taking an interest to him. You have really lost all credibility on here. If i didn't like someone to go to Duke i would say and not back down if they went there. Everything you say is poo. Not to mention you had to start your own thread to spew your poo. Why not post it in the John Wall thread like everyone else?[/quote]

Hey, prick! I have an opinion and the right to express it...I don't attack you or anyone else on here. I'm not that thrilled about the Wall deal, but I also do not know all the issues regarding his handler (Clifton) and neither do you...What I do know is the kid can play and would be great leading the break in CH.

I trash K because he's an arrogant, selfish prick who obviously teaches his players to hack, smack, foul and assault. Do you need me to post pics to prove my point?

As for my credibility? HAHAHAHA! IT'S A MESSAGE BOARD, MORON!

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Because there are a million other reasons to pick or not pick UNC other than Ty Lawson. To say that if Lawson is gone then Wall is going to UNC is extremely misinformed.

This is how the game is played...I wouldn't be surprised if Roy doesn't even offer Wall before Wall makes his decision. At the Hoops summit he said that he would cut his list to 2 or 3 for the Jordan game. Then he said that he would try to make his decision a week after the Jordan game...That gives Roy 2 weeks to court, inform, and offer Wall. Not to mention UK, NCSU, and Duke (to a lesser extent) have been on him for the last 2 years (not Duke).

[B]Also...there is trouble brewing in the Larry Drew camp. Apparently he and his dad are prettttty pissed that Roy is thinking of going after Wall after Drew just sat the bench the whole year in anticipation of getting a chance to play. It is just turning into a sticky situation with Wall in Chapel Hill and I think that Walls "advisors" will do everything possible to keep him out of the drama that could unfold.
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Not to mention there was a huge deal made about Roy flying all the way to Iowa and then to Memphis to talk to Harrison Barnes and Casey Prather but no mention of him sitting down with John Wall. Its either going to come down to Wall realizing that waiting for UNC is stupid or Roy realizing that he is risking his fool-proof formula in order to go after a one and done.

THAT is why its not going to come down to Ty Lawsons decision..[/quote]

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Link this please.[/quote]

Not everything has a link to a website my friend...

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[quote name='Htar']Hey, prick! I have an opinion and the right to express it...I don't attack you or anyone else on here. I'm not that thrilled about the Wall deal, but I also do not know all the issues regarding his handler (Clifton) and neither do you...What I do know is the kid can play and would be great leading the break in CH.

I trash K because he's an arrogant, selfish prick who obviously teaches his players to hack, smack, foul and assault. Do you need me to post pics to prove my point?

As for my credibility? HAHAHAHA! IT'S A MESSAGE BOARD, MORON![/quote]

Just an FYI...you have the right to express it without personal attacks

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Htar is like this message board's little brother. I have come to peace with the fact that when he posts it is for humor sake now. I honestly dont think he trys to be a d*ck to anyone, but some of his posts just put him in a sticky situation. For example, this thread. I was the one who posted that some Carolina fans would be backtracking now that Roy got involved a couple weeks ago, credit to Htar he seemed to stay strong for a little while, but now with this post, it basically says "I don't care if John Wall comes with baggage or is a me-first player, I want him to be a Heel, because he is really good".

I really don't think you can argue with that assumption people have of you now, Htar. But the problem is you didnt have to make yourself look like that. John Wall IS a pretty good kid, he ISN'T a me-first player, you can like him and not feel bad about it. The problem came about when you, like other fans, immeaditly jumped all over Duke for recruiting him. You should have known it was only a matter of time before Carolina got involved, look back in history, Duke and Carolina constantly go after the same players. It is going on with Harrison Barnes right now as well. Duke has been all over that kid for awhile now, he has visited Duke twice on his own, but now Roy has put Roscoe Smith on hold and said Harrison is his top target for 2010.

This really goes back to the whole arguement that comes up with most fan bases when a recruit is considering their school the recruit is "good kid, great prospect, well respected, etc." when that recruit doesnt decide to go to their school he suddenly becomes "over-rated, me-first attitude, bad academics, etc."

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Well, like I said before, I don't think that either Roy or K are gonna go after any kid that they perceive to be a problem. In this case, it seems to be the "handler" that's the source of the problems anyway.

Either way, I sure as hell won't be complaining if Wall comes to UNC.

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[quote name='love2hateroy']Of course, it's a desperate act by Coach K if he recruits Wall, but great work by Roy if Wall chooses Carolina.

Whatever.[/quote]

Thank you...Tar Heels fans = joke

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Because there are a million other reasons to pick or not pick UNC other than Ty Lawson. To say that if Lawson is gone then Wall is going to UNC is extremely misinformed.

This is how the game is played...I wouldn't be surprised if Roy doesn't even offer Wall before Wall makes his decision. At the Hoops summit he said that he would cut his list to 2 or 3 for the Jordan game. Then he said that he would try to make his decision a week after the Jordan game...That gives Roy 2 weeks to court, inform, and offer Wall. Not to mention UK, NCSU, and Duke (to a lesser extent) have been on him for the last 2 years (not Duke).

Also...there is trouble brewing in the Larry Drew camp. Apparently he and his dad are prettttty pissed that Roy is thinking of going after Wall after Drew just sat the bench the whole year in anticipation of getting a chance to play. It is just turning into a sticky situation with Wall in Chapel Hill and I think that Walls "advisors" will do everything possible to keep him out of the drama that could unfold.

Not to mention there was a huge deal made about Roy flying all the way to Iowa and then to Memphis to talk to Harrison Barnes and Casey Prather but no mention of him sitting down with John Wall. Its either going to come down to Wall realizing that waiting for UNC is stupid or Roy realizing that he is risking his fool-proof formula in order to go after a one and done.

THAT is why its not going to come down to Ty Lawsons decision..[/quote]
I don't know if Wall is going to Carolina or not, and frankly, I really don't care. However, I do think Lawson's decision can very well have a huge impact on what Wall does...assuming Wall is legitimately considering UNC. One thing that has been made clear is that Wall only wants one year of college before jumping to the NBA, thus, it goes without saying that he wants to go to a situation in which he can start and show scouts why they should draft him.

But if Lawson stays, that would almost certainly relegate Wall to backup status, or at best, to playing out of position. Not to mention that after his performance in the tournement, all eyes will be on Lawson, Wall would be secondary. That's not to say that if Lawson stays, Wall would become an afterthought, he would certainly still get a lot of minutes, but the perception of him as a reserve (particularly behind a PG that is borderline lottery) could hurt his draft stock...and that's something I don't think Wall wants to chance.

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Read his interview with Inside Blazer, He specifically states he doesn't want to be the go to guy. He wants to go to a team with Good leadership and skilled veteran players.

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