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Let me first say I have no idea who this guy is. He seems like just some random blogger. But I stumbled across this article and it made me laugh a little and I wish other actual media types would do the same thing from time to time.

He basically just poos all over his own pre-draft Cam Newton evaluation paragraph by paragraph.

It is too long to post the whole thing on here but here is the beginning of it.

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I wrote a not-so-nice article about Cam Newton and his pro prospects nearly a year ago. This is my mea culpa.

On the heels of Cam Newton's record-setting rookie season as a passer and runner, not to mention this feature in the NEXT issue of ESPN The Magazine, I figure it'd be a good time to do this (coincides nicely with the New Years resolutions I won't honor, too). Especially because I, like most everyone else, am enthralled watching him play. Newton is unlike anything we've ever seen before, a superior and more graceful version of Daunte Culpepper. The only question becomes whether or not he can sustain such a high level of play and make what was unprecedented the new precedent.

Part of this whole writing and sharing your opinion with the public thing is accepting that, at times, you're going to be wrong. Sometimes you'll be very, very wrong and look like a total dickhead in the process. Just like it's nice to be credited when you get something right, there should also be a certain level of self-awareness and humility that prompts you to acknowledge when you fug up. Sure, I could've easily deleted the article and pretended it never happened, but that's taking the dishonest coward's way out. I was a hater, a doubter. As such, now's the time to own what I wrote about Newton back in February. I've had people ask me if doing an about-face was even necessary. In general? No, probably not. However, it's necessary to me. This is my mea culpa.

Here's the original post, titled "Cam Newton: Future NFL Bust." I also submitted the piece to this site. It has since been removed -- I don't know why; maybe the site, now defunct, didn't want to be associated with such misguided tripe -- which is a shame because the comments section was pretty entertaining. I guess the comments accompanying the article from my own blog will have to do (more on this later). I figure the best way to approach this type of exercise is to go through the original piece by piece. Time to survey the carnage.

[B][I]"Let's just get this out of the way now: Cam Newton will not be a successful quarterback at the next level. I firmly believe that."[/I][/B]

Ugh, pretty much the worst start possible here. I immediately regret this decision. Cam Newton is already a successful quarterback at the next level, and now one of the prototypes at the position. Is there any chance I can even recover after an opening like that? Let's just get this out of the way now: I'm an asshole. Probably a little too smug, as well. I firmly believe that. But it does serve me well from time to time.

[url]http://philly.sbnation.com/2012/1/13/2704086/nfl-draft-cam-newton[/url][/QUOTE]

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All I know is that his picks for this weekends games were right on point.

And lets be honest, a lot of us felt the same way about Cam before the seasons. Come on, man up about that! Who honestly thought he would break the records he broke?

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I didn't think he would be successful either.

I was wrong as well. The great thing about sports, is that it's just sports. Having a wrong opinion doesn't matter and has no consequences. It's for fun.

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[quote name='law1984ecu']All I know is that his picks for this weekends games were right on point.

And lets be honest, a lot of us felt the same way about Cam before the seasons. [B] Come on, man up about that! Who honestly thought he would break the records he broke?[/[/B]QUOTE]



Not me.

I got on board the Cam-train before we drafted him, but it took some time.

the sky is the limit with this kid.....:cam:

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the writer was a douche, but he owned it and used the experience to make him wiser in the way he looks at prospects.

i probably won't read his stuff again, well not intentionally, but i never read his stuff before (that i knew of). i do know that i respect him a lot lot more than those other clowns that have yet to man up and admit they were so wrong about him.

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I am so dam excited about next season that I could just pee pee all over the place. It's gonna be a hellof a season yall! Let's just hope the Panthers don't worry too much with offense. It's fine. Just keep and practice those guys.

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[quote name='rayzor']the writer was a douche, but he owned it and used the experience to make him wiser in the way he looks at prospects.

i probably won't read his stuff again, well not intentionally, but i never read his stuff before (that i knew of). i do know that i respect him a lot lot more than those other clowns that have yet to man up and admit they were so wrong about him.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I have know clue who this guy is. Never read his stuff before and will probably never read his stuff again. But it is funny to see someone break down his own evaluation and poo all over it. Not many people have the ability to do that. Most people will just run and hide behind "I said he had potential!!" escape clause.

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[quote name='rayzor']the writer was a douche, but he owned it and used the experience to make him wiser in the way he looks at prospects.

i probably won't read his stuff again, well not intentionally, but i never read his stuff before (that i knew of). i do know that i respect him a lot lot more than [B][I]those other clowns that have yet to man up and admit they were so wrong about him[/I][/B].[/QUOTE]

Not saying there aren't any but which clowns in particular still stick by their initial thoughts that Cam would struggle at the next level? I can't think of one analyst that hasn't said (when talking about Cam) how wrong they were and are amazed by what he accomplished this season. Whenever I hear a conversation about Cam on the radio or TV whether it be on a national or local level they all say that and give him his due respect.

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When I saw the title, I thought it was going to be about thread tagging :lol:

Can't say I've heard of this writer before, but then anybody and their mother can have a blog these days. Had it suggested to me a couple of times. At some point I probably will but the reason I haven't so far - other than the health issues - is that I always look at it and think "I'm just another fan. Why would my opinion deserve it's own spot (other than on a message board where everyone's opinion has a place)" :skep:

As to the topic, my big thing was thinking next season offered better options at quarterback than anyone (not just Newton) that was available this season. Hence I thought the number one pick was better used on someone else. and the truth is part of that might actually come true. One or more of this year's crop might actually turn out to be even better pros than Newton is now.

But does that mean taking Newton was a mistake? Lord no :nonod:

Newton [I]was[/I] worth the number one pick, [I][B]well[/B][/I] worth it. If someone else [I]is[/I] better next year, so what? Said it before: you only worry about missing out on other great players if you don't already have one yourself. We do.

When the Panthers picked him, I said at he time "hope they're right and I'm wrong", and so far it's looking pretty good. Are there still things that could go wrong? Sure there are (injuries top my worry list) but there's every reason right now to think the future is bright. And until I see a reason to think otherwise, that is what I'll choose to believe.

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[quote name='rayzor']the writer was a douche, but he owned it and used the experience to make him wiser in the way he looks at prospects.

i probably won't read his stuff again, well not intentionally, but i never read his stuff before (that i knew of). i do know that i respect him a lot lot more than those other clowns that have yet to man up and admit they were so wrong about him.[/QUOTE]
Question worth asking in the larger discussion though...

Has Newton actually "succeeded at the next level" yet, or did he just have a great rookie year?

Worth remembering that some folks who proclaimed Matt Ryan as a successful pro and the "next big thing" based on his rookie year are now being forced to rethink. And Ryan's not alone. Plenty of promising rookie campaigns have been followed by mediocre careers (though few if any have started with as much promise as Newton).

I firmly believe that Newton [I]will[/I] be the success that we all think he [I]can[/I] be.

But if there's one caution I'd give to Pamther fans looking to the future, it'd be this: Plenty of reason to think we'll get there, but we ain't there [I]yet[/I]. And if you don't think celebrating too soon can be a real downer, ask a Saints fan how they feel right now.

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[quote name='law1984ecu']All I know is that his picks for this weekends games were right on point.

And lets be honest, a lot of us felt the same way about Cam before the seasons. Come on, man up about that! Who honestly thought he would break the records he broke?[/QUOTE]

Sadly, many of you simply played follow the media and just bought into everything you heard and read. Others felt safe in hiding their personal baises behind every negative thing they heard about Cam.

Let's be real, it's not so much what he has done as it is not allowing him to prove himself. Cam was told that he was only given two options. He either proved that he can play QB on an elite level or be a bust.

Funny that the other QB, Bliane Gabbert, who always linked with Cam and was highly praised by folks like this sportswriter is going to be given EVERY chance to succeed before he's called a bust. :rolleyes:

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[quote name='Johnny Rockets']Not saying there aren't any but which clowns in particular still stick by their initial thoughts that Cam would struggle at the next level? I can't think of one analyst that hasn't said (when talking about Cam) how wrong they were and are amazed by what he accomplished this season. Whenever I hear a conversation about Cam on the radio or TV whether it be on a national or local level they all say that and give him his due respect.[/QUOTE]

Nolan Nawrocki. He did a piece recently on Cam and the entire video interview centered on vague "pre-draft criticism" but never mentioned he was by far the most egregious offender, than repeatedly said Cam needed to work on learning his playbook, and grimaced with every faint word of praise he gave him.

Thankfully, he will always be known as the douche who basically ruined his scouting credentials by trashing Cam Newton. How does that smile look now, Nolan Nitwit?

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Draft analysts don't ruin their credentials by being wrong about prospects, even high profile ones. If they did, none of them would have a job because they're wrong on an annual basis (remember Kiper talking about Clausen?)

All the guys who doubted Newton, Nawrocki included, will continue in their jobs and move on to the next crop. Panther fans may not like it, but that's just how it is.

When we write stuff like "he's gonna pay for what he said about Cam" we sound like petulant teenagers.

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[quote name='Mr Scot']Question worth asking in the larger discussion though...

Has Newton actually "succeeded at the next level" yet, or did he just have a great rookie year?

Worth remembering that some folks who proclaimed Matt Ryan as a successful pro and the "next big thing" based on his rookie year are now being forced to rethink. And Ryan's not alone. Plenty of promising rookie campaigns have been followed by mediocre careers (though few if any have started with as much promise as Newton).

I firmly believe that Newton [I]will[/I] be the success that we all think he [I]can[/I] be.

But if there's one caution I'd give to Pamther fans looking to the future, it'd be this: Plenty of reason to think we'll get there, but we ain't there [I]yet[/I]. And if you don't think celebrating too soon can be a real downer, ask a Saints fan how they feel right now.[/QUOTE]

Well, I look at it this way, Peyton Manning was highly praised during his rookie season also. And his rookie start, although good, wasn't great...28 ints. He was given a chance to succeed and he has in his own way. Since Cam has proven that he can hang with the so called elite QBs, maybe it's time to give him a chance to prove himself. He will stumble along the way like most QBs but he has shown, unlike certain QBs, that he has the tools to help out his team.

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[URL="http://philly.sbnation.com/2012/1/13/2704086/nfl-draft-cam-newton"]http://philly.sbnation.com/2012/1/13/2704086/nfl-draft-cam-newton[/URL]

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[quote name='fieryprophet']Nolan Nawrocki. He did a piece recently on Cam and the entire video interview centered on vague "pre-draft criticism" but never mentioned he was by far the most egregious offender, than repeatedly said Cam needed to work on learning his playbook, and grimaced with every faint word of praise he gave him.

Thankfully, he will always be known as the douche who basically ruined his scouting credentials by trashing Cam Newton. How does that smile look now, Nolan Nitwit?[/QUOTE]

What do you expect from a guy who was to lazy to actually go out and do his work on a kid. And when called out by Moon, claimed he said the same thing about Jimmy Clausen as a way to cover his lazy behind. Yeah, cut and paste work being passed off as serious analysis.

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If Cam has a Josh Freeman like regression next year, will you guys all man up and admit you guys were wrong and write letters to yourself demanding you apologize and write letters apologizing to the original authors?

My point, and the point I've had all along, is let's wait 3 years before claiming victory one way or another. He looks great now, but the NFL is a bitch.

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[quote name='footballisasport']What do you expect from a guy who was to lazy to actually go out and do his work on a kid. And when called out by Moon, claimed he said the same thing about Jimmy Clausen as a way to cover his lazy behind. Yeah, cut and paste work being passed off as serious analysis.[/QUOTE]
He [I]did[/I] say the same things about Jimmy Clausen. I know because I actually read the profiles.

[quote name='footballisasport']Funny that the other QB, Bliane Gabbert, who always linked with Cam and was highly praised by folks like this sportswriter is going to be given EVERY chance to succeed before he's called a bust. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
You might want to consider posting something with an actual basis in reality at some point rather than the constant "everybody hates Cam, everybody loves Blaine" schtick. It's old, and frankly has pretty much no basis in fact :nonod:

"Highly praised by folks like this sportswriter" eh? Do you have the first clue what this guy thought about Blaine Gabbert? Here's a tip. The linked article makes no mention of him at all.

It [I]doe[/I]s talk about Tim Tebow, Greg McElroy, Ryan Leaf, Donovan McNabb, JaMarcus Russell, Mark Sanchez and Daunte Culpepper (a lot) but no Gabbert. I did a quick search on this author to see if I could find something he wrote about Gabbert. Found nada.

Reality: There were draftniks who loved Cam, hated Blaine; loved Blaine, hated Cam; loved both; hated both. This silliness that everyone loved Gabbert and hated Newton is just goofy and sounds like a persecution complex.

Rather than living on that, try this instead:

We won more games than people thought we would last year. We have [I]plenty[/I] of hope for the future. People (mostly opposing fans) still doubt Newton? Who cares? His teammates don't. Pretty much none of us do. We've got no reason to be anything but optimistic for our future.

That's where I'm at right now. If you wanna keep wallowing in "someone said something mean about Cam", feel free. But I'll guarantee this: Those of us who are looking at future hopes rather than obsessing over past wrongs are having a lot more fun than you are :sosp:
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I didn't have anything against Cam specifically, but I thought it was a bad year to take a QB because of the lockout. I thought the lack of minicamps and OTAs would severely hamper any rookie QB. I was obviously wrong. :o

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Don't bother Mr. Scot, he's beyond crazy.

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[quote name='TheRealDeal']If Cam has a Josh Freeman like regression next year, will you guys all man up and admit you guys were wrong and write letters to yourself demanding you apologize and write letters apologizing to the original authors?

My point, and the point I've had all along, is let's wait 3 years before claiming victory one way or another. He looks great now, but the NFL is a bitch.[/QUOTE]
Valid that the rookie year isn't the be-all/end-all of draft judgments.

That said, regression doesn't really worry me right now. Newton acclimated to the NFL way faster than anyone had a right to expect, and he's continuing to work in an atmosphere that has good veteran leadership. So regression doesn't seem like a logical concern.

The things that [I]do[/I] worry me: injuries top the list, the possibility of having to serve under a new OC (again) is a biggy, opposing DCs coming up with an effective strategy against him is a moderate one, and off the field incidents are always a possibility though I'm about 98% sure that stuff is behind him (he's a pro now, and he seems to know how much is at stake).

No, he hasn't "arrived" yet (said as much earlier in the thread).

But I [I]do[/I] believe he [I]will[/I]. Maybe not this coming season, but by year three at the latest.

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[quote name='TheRealDeal']Don't bother Mr. Scot, he's beyond crazy.[/QUOTE]
Maybe. I don't [I]know[/I] that he's "beyond crazy" yet though. If I thought that I wouldn't bother talking to him.

I think he's just one of those guys who holds on to past slights so tightly that it prevents him from enjoying present success. Most of us probably know somebody like that in real life. Truth be told, it's a pretty common thing among sports fans.

Toughest thing in the world to get 'em to let go, but sometimes it's worth a shot. Will it work? Don't know. Don't really care. Wrote it for the same reason I write anything on here: I felt like it.

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Yeah, time will tell but you have to remember, the fans here are so emotionally invested in Cam they said he arrived week 1 and said he was top 5 QB in the NFL after week 3 or 4.

I just think it's funny.

(As I've said many times, I'm excited about the future but not as concrete in my beliefs as others, as I have a fully functioning brain)

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[quote name='Mr Scot']Maybe. I don't [I]know[/I] that he's "beyond crazy" yet though. If I thought that I wouldn't bother talking to him.[/QUOTE]

You should read some of his other posts. 98% are about the media slighting Cam/blacks in some way and giving Gabbert/Tebow/Dalton the benefit of the doubt.

He thinks this fanbase hates Cam for some reason.

He didn't know what JV football was.

He thought 12 guys played on offense and defense.

Shall I continue?

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