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The odds of Beason coming back like he was, are not that good

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I was doing some research on another thread about the need for a inebacker in the draft and I came upon this article. It is about DeMeco Ryans but it mentions a 2009 study of NFL football players. The synopsis for those who hate to read is that roughly 66% of NFL athletes who have Achilles surgery return. But when they compare the 3 year pre-surgery stats with the 3 year post surgery stats there was a 50% rduction in power ratings which for linebackers was measured as interceptions and tackles. Even more problematic was that linebackers showed the biggest reduction of all groups on both the offense and defense.

So is it going for Ryans? In 2007-2009 he averaged 121 tackles a year. Last year it dropped to 64.

[URL]http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2011/08/a-medical-view-of-demeco-ryans-recovery-from-injury/[/URL]

Historically linebackers have a 95% reduction in their power rating for the 3 years after surgery.
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*There was a 95%, 87%, and 64% postinjury reduction in power ratings for linebackers, cornerbacks, and defensive tackles over the 3-year period
*Linebackers suffered the greatest reduction in power ratings of all types of players, both offensive and defensive[/quote]

Anyone still not worried at all???

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la la la la la la la la la NOT LISTENING!!!1
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I know a guy who is one of those health nuts and workout warriors....he tore his. Never was the same athlete after that. He still competed and did his triathlons and all his freakstuff.....but was never the same after it.

the human body is the human body....Beason has more cash and potentially better doctors but that alone doesn't give him odds that make it almost a certainty he will be the same guy.

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Been trying to tell you guys this for awhile now. Davis isnt the one you need to be worried about.


achilles is a beast of an injury. . its called the ACHILLES for a reason. It sidelined history's greatest known champion.

Greatest known

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i'm just going to try to forget this for now and go back to laughing at the saints

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I was looking through the stats you provided and I didn't notice any on Beason.

Oh yeah, cuz it hasn't happened. Good luck proving irrelevant stats are less bullshit than faith.

Also, using Demeco Ryans as an example? Shame on you Panthers55, you should be better informed.

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Well... I can sit around and piss my pants worrying about it, or I can watch the Panthers play next season, root for them, and wish them the best...

I choose option 2.

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Can compare one individual to another until you are blue in the face. Im not a fan of it, where you guys keep your crystal ball?

How about we give the guy a chance? I hope rivera is smart enough to have a plan in case.

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Just know that when he comes back he will have beaten very bad odds.

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[quote name='megadeth078']I was looking through the stats you provided and I didn't notice any on Beason.

Oh yeah, cuz it hasn't happened. Good luck proving irrelevant stats are less bullpoo than faith.

Also, using Demeco Ryans as an example? Shame on you Panthers55, you should be better informed.[/QUOTE]

You can also use Takeo Spikes as an example for a torn Achilles as well, tore his Achilles back in the 2005-2006 season. Took him three seasons to get back to being close to what he was before the injury. Ryans looked sluggish and less explosive last season as well. It's by far the worst injury an NFL player can get and I've never seen anyone come back from it and be the same the next season. It usually takes a couple of years at least.

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Been a worry of mine for a while too.

No way to know till we see him back on the field.

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Demeco Ryans isn't a good example because he also came back to a new system.

That said, yeah, Beason still isn't out of the pool.

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[quote name='carpanfan96']You can also use Takeo Spikes as an example for a torn Achilles as well, tore his Achilles back in the 2005-2006 season. Took him three seasons to get back to being close to what he was before the injury. Ryans looked sluggish and less explosive last season as well. It's by far the worst injury an NFL player can get and I've never seen anyone come back from it and be the same the next season. It usually takes a couple of years at least.[/QUOTE]
Takeo Spikes: injured week 3, missed 4 games the following season because of hamstring injuries

Demeco Ryans: injured week 6, defense also switched to 3-4 scheme

Jon Beason: injured week 1

Does every linebacker really relate as solidly as the article would have you believe?

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[quote name='megadeth078']I was looking through the stats you provided and I didn't notice any on Beason.

Oh yeah, cuz it hasn't happened. Good luck proving irrelevant stats are less bullpoo than faith.

Also, using Demeco Ryans as an example? Shame on you Panthers55, you should be better informed.[/QUOTE]

Oh so let me get this right. Although there is a NFL study covering a number of years and is factual and scientific based that says that of the 66% who return, most play at a reduced level we should ignore it because Beason's information wasn't included. And the fact that linebackers are the most affected shouldn't be a concern at all and using DeMeco Ryans who returned last year was a bad idea.

And that I am uninformed because I used a medical study and you used your own opinion.

alrightly then......................

I stand corrected then. Nevermind folks, ignore that huge pink thing that looks like an elephant in the room. Go back to laughing at the Saints......
Nothing to see here, nothing to worry about..........everything will be fine. Davis and Beason will come back better than new, because some people on the huddle said it would be so...

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You failed to prove how these stats relate to Beason besides same injury. Get over it.

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but I've read that study as well and most of it was taken from like 2007. Arthroscopic surgery is literally the fastest progressing field of science in the world. Just think about ACL surgeries in the last 5 years.

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Are you fucking Kuchley's agent? Relative? Girlfriend? Wtf stop selling us this guy cause I'm not fucking buying.

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Takeo pretty much recovered and that was in 2005, had some pretty good seasons.

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DeMeco Ryans also didn't have an offseason to workout with his team's doctors because of the lockout, and he came back into a new 3-4 system, where he was bound to share tackles with the other ILB, whereas before he was only a 4-3 MLB.

Also, Ryan Howard tore his Achilles in October of last year during the Major League playoffs. He's ready to go right now. I know it's not a football injury, but all reports are that he's healthy (other than a surgical incision that isn't healing up, which they're not sure about).

The injury will be fine. Will it take some time for him to get back where he was? Sure. But, Beason's young enough, will have had almost a year with doctors since the injury, and hopefully will be behind some DTs that allow him to play freely.

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I am sure everyone is a a case-to-case study. I am worried about it but I am not going to look at DeMeco Ryans and think that's what's to be expected.

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Also, Ryan Howard tore his Achilles in October of last year during the Major League playoffs. He's ready to go right now. I know it's not a football injury, but all reports are that he's healthy (other than a surgical incision that isn't healing up, which they're not sure about).
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I am not too sure that's the case. He is going to miss some of the season IIRC.

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[quote name='Fiz']but I've read that study as well and most of it was taken from like 2007. Arthroscopic surgery is literally the fastest progressing field of science in the world. Just think about ACL surgeries in the last 5 years.[/QUOTE]

This. Using past years study for a procedure that is basically changing by the day is not an accurate portrayal of the situation. It could very well be true, however if this is a veiled argument for drafting a certain BC linebacker I think that's not cool.

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[quote name='megadeth078']Takeo Spikes: injured week 3, missed 4 games the following season because of hamstring injuries

Demeco Ryans: injured week 6, defense also switched to 3-4 scheme

Jon Beason: injured week 1

Does every linebacker really relate as solidly as the article would have you believe?[/QUOTE]

I'm not just going by the article and Fiz is right, the Arthroscopic field progresses at a high rate. Nor is it soley a reason to draft Kuechly or in any way saying that Beason can't come back this season. The odd's are highly stacked against him coming back 100% this upcoming season, more likely Beason will be back to 100% in the 2013 season.

As for the players listed, they are all LB's who all suffered the same injury, the toughest injury to recover from in football for a LB.

Also, It's March and Beason literally just finished with Pool sprints 6 months later.

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All we can do is hope and pray for a full recovery.

FWIW, i'll take a 75% Beason over the majority of the linebackers we rotated through last year.

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I'm sure that if the training and coaching staffs were really worried about the injury, Dan Connor would have a huge contract waiting for him, to make sure that he doesn't leave Carolina.

Obviously the staff has enough faith in the doctors and in Beason's health that they are allowing Connor to test the free agency waters.

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