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Before The Saints Fan Claim "oh, That Is Said In Every Locker Room"

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I've been in the Panthers locker room many times. I have never heard anything even close to the despicable comments by Gregg Williams. Players get hyped up, players get aggressive, but its never about injuring anyone. Its never about taking cheap shots in he pile after the whistle is blown.

Pathetic.
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Don't worry there's already a few pages over on TardsReport detailing how 'everyone says stuff like that' and how their Pee-Wee league coach apparently said things similar.

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Its clear why Fox didnt want G.Williams as his DC. I was pissed at the time but now I understand and respect Fox more.
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And I am SO fuging sick of that argument anyway. If that were the case, how would that make it right? Anyone that is purposely going out there to injure guys, and put money on top of it, is a dirty bastard. Everyone that was a part of that should be punished heavily. Such bullshit.

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Who cares what Saint's Fans claim. The league has spoken, this guy is likely suspended forever and if not he's done anyway.

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Golic was taking up for him big time on M&M this morning. It was that exact argument.

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It's the bits about blowing out Crabtree's ACL and Davis' ankles, crap like that, that are disturbing.

People can make all the case they want for attacking the metaphorical "head" and we can't really prove them wrong but the end where he starts detailing specific injuries and telling them to do damage in the pile that are damning. You can't explain those away.

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For what it is worth I did have a heated dicussion with the head coach at a pee wee game ( I was an assistant) who wanted to put our star player back in when he clearly just had a concussion. I had to get the parent's dad to go down there and tell the guy that his son was going to sit out. Needless to say since he was the head coach, I was no longer welcome and my son left the team that day. But the league was notified and he was "talked with" and not allowed to coach again after that season. So yeah there are ignorant coaches obsessed with winning at any cost in every level of football.

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I'm just really jealous that Zod has been in that locker room enough to know that... Fmylife, I should have been a photographer!

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[quote name='panthers55' timestamp='1333635634' post='1718807']
For what it is worth I did have a heated dicussion with the head coach at a pee wee game ( I was an assistant) who wanted to put our star player back in when he clearly just had a concussion. I had to get the parent's dad to go down there and tell the guy that his son was going to sit out. Needless to say since he was the head coach, I was no longer welcome and my son left the team that day. But the league was notified and he was "talked with" and not allowed to coach again after that season. So yeah there are ignorant coaches obsessed with winning at any cost in every level of football.
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Yep.

Similar thing happened on my son's soccer team when he was only 6. Our coach was trying to teach the kids how to slide tackle and take out another kid's ankle (while making it look like they were going for the ball). Parent's were pissed and confronted him. he made excuses why it was OK and told us it was his team. Half of the kids left the team that day. Guy was a total POS.

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I do know that while not sanctioned, there is all kinds of dirty things that go on in the pile all the time. Didn't Kris jenkins talk about guys biting each other, twisting ankles, and elbowing each other while they were down. The issue is he discussed it as an intentional practice which is clearly crossing the line, But lets remember that it does happen all the time and there are lots of dirty players.

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[quote name='panthers55' timestamp='1333635634' post='1718807']
For what it is worth I did have a heated dicussion with the head coach at a pee wee game ( I was an assistant) who wanted to put our star player back in when he clearly just had a concussion. I had to get the parent's dad to go down there and tell the guy that his son was going to sit out. Needless to say since he was the head coach, I was no longer welcome and my son left the team that day. But the league was notified and he was "talked with" and not allowed to coach again after that season. So yeah there are ignorant coaches obsessed with winning at any cost in every level of football.
[/quote]there's parents like that as well.

i don't doubt that there are those who are of that ilk in the pee wees, but they are coaching at that level for a reason....they aren't good enough for any other level. still shouldn't be coaching kids.

it's a pathetic mentality to have, but it's not at all rare at any level in any profession.

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[quote name='panthers55' timestamp='1333635634' post='1718807']
For what it is worth I did have a heated dicussion with the head coach at a pee wee game ( I was an assistant) who wanted to put our star player back in when he clearly just had a concussion. I had to get the parent's dad to go down there and tell the guy that his son was going to sit out. Needless to say since he was the head coach, I was no longer welcome and my son left the team that day. But the league was notified and he was "talked with" and not allowed to coach again after that season. So yeah there are ignorant coaches obsessed with winning at any cost in every level of football.
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Of course there are - but they're outliers. It's despicable a the PeeWee level, the high school level, and in the NFL.

The existence of a worthless human being at the peewee level doesn't do much to validate their defense that everyone says it.

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Even if re-instated by the commissioner, no team is going to hire Williams after this.

It would be a PR nightmare, and not worth whatever he could bring as a coach.

He's done.
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Its bad the NFL warned them about bounties a week before the speech against the 49ers. If I was Goodell, I would laugh in the face of the appeals and raise their their suspensions just for trying the appeal.
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Also Gregg Williams is not appealing.......

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[quote name='MadHatter' timestamp='1333635824' post='1718813']
Yep.

Similar thing happened on my son's soccer team when he was only 6. Our coach was trying to teach the kids how to slide tackle and take out another kid's ankle (while making it look like they were going for the ball). Parent's were pissed and confronted him. he made excuses why it was OK and told us it was his team. Half of the kids left the team that day. Guy was a total POS.
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That is ridiculous. My son is 12 and plays classic soccer in charlotte and they have expressed rules about not slide tackling. It is still considered a big no no at that level. Teaching a 6 year old to take out another player's ankle borders on insanity.

Gets off soapbox................

Now back to your regularly scheduled Williams bashing.......................

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[quote name='mwright350' timestamp='1333635960' post='1718816']
Of course there are - but they're outliers. It's despicable a the PeeWee level, the high school level, and in the NFL.

The existence of a worthless human being at the peewee level doesn't do much to validate their defense that everyone says it.
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i've been coached by guys like that before

bunch of uncle ricos trying to reconstruct their glory days. if only coach would have put them in they'd have won state, "i almost went pro", etc.

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[quote name='Holderoftruth1' timestamp='1333636066' post='1718820']
Its bad the NFL warned them about bounties a week before the speech against the 49ers. If I was Goodell, I would laugh in the face of the appeals and raise their their suspensions just for trying the appeal.
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Exactly. They didn't give a poo about what the league had to say, but now they want to play the victim and cry foul.

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[quote name='mwright350' timestamp='1333635960' post='1718816']
Of course there are - but they're outliers. It's despicable a the PeeWee level, the high school level, and in the NFL.

The existence of a worthless human being at the peewee level doesn't do much to validate their defense that everyone says it.
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But the fact that this happens all the time is why guys like Golic and many players and former players are downplaying the issue. Many of them have heard those kind of talks by coaches all the way through their careers. I am glad the Panthers don't stoop to that level but I have heard some Panther players saying that those kinds of things happen in lots of locker rooms. Just not sanctioned by the team or spoken about so openly.

Goodell knows it and that is why he came down so hard. Not just to punish the Saints but show the other teams not to do the same thing or stop what they are doing right away.

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Similar things are said in other lockerrooms. Usually not literal though.

Gregg saying he will pay them however doesn't occur in every lockerroom. People always want to exclude the thing that makes it different and then compare.

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[quote name='panthers55' timestamp='1333636498' post='1718836']
But the fact that is happens all the time is why guys like Golic and many players and former players are downplaying the issue. many of them have heard those kind of talks by coaches all the way through their careers. I am glad the Panthers don't stoop to that level but I have heard some Panther players saying that those kinds of things happen in lots of locker rooms. Just not sanctioned by the team or spoken about so openly.
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And if Golic is right, that just provides more reason for making the penalties stiff enough that it stops.

I love to see hard hits, but hate to see players carted off, no matter who they are. Hopefully, the vast majority of players feel the same way.

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I will always be a Panthers fan, but if Rivera did something like this, I would want him gone. I would not show up for an apologist rally on his behalf, that's for damn sure.

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[quote name='TruCatzFan' timestamp='1333635806' post='1718810']
I'm just really jealous that Zod has been in that locker room enough to know that... Fmylife, [b]I should have been a photographer[/b]!
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You still can. All you have to do is push on a little button!

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[quote name='Zod' timestamp='1333634527' post='1718791']
I've been in the Panthers locker room many times. I have never heard anything even close to the despicable comments by Gregg Williams. Players get hyped up, players get aggressive, but its never about injuring anyone. Its never about taking cheap shots in he pile after the whistle is blown.

Pathetic.
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If that's true that's nice to hear because as I was listening to the audio, I'm think my god I ibet this same stuff is being said in the Panthers locker room and I'm not sure I can support that.

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