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Does Everyone Really Believe We Are Good At Dt?

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I think Rivera's credibility will be damaged if we fail to develop one these DT's after defending his DT's.I think if Ron Edwards comes back to his previous self I can see it at NT but I dont see the the guy at UT. I feel the same way at safety and cb.

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I don't believe his credibility will be damaged. So far he's being doing what he said he's going to do. He's made several moves that many did not agree with and have worked out for the teams favor.

At this moment I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

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Eh, I'm on the fence.

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Honestly? No. But then again i'm not out there day in and day out with these guys so for all I know they have improved leaps and bounds. I have faith in Rivera so I guess what it comes down to is that I HOPE we are good at DT...

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No, I am not overly confident in our DT's, but I also realize that you cannot fix everything in today's NFL. Every team has their weaknesses, and we are no different.

I do trust Ron to put the best product on the field given the salary cap and roster size constraints. He may be wrong in his evaluation of specific players, but he also needs to be given the latitude to be wrong occasionally.

As long as the overall product continues to improve, we should be satisfied with his stewardship.
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[quote name='Marguide' timestamp='1337894696' post='1782625']
No, I am not overly confident in our DT's, but I also realize that you cannot fix everything in today's NFL. Every team has their weaknesses, and we are no different.

I do trust Ron to put the best product on the field given the salary cap and roster size constraints. He may be wrong in his evaluation of specific players, but he also needs to be given the latitude to be wrong occasionally.

As long as the overall product continues to improve, we should be satisfied with his stewardship.
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This^^^^^^

It still might be a weakness, but it will be an approved weakness. Drafting Luke was BPA, and also it strengthen a spot that we felt was the strongest on DEF last year. We all know what happened to our strongest position on DEF last year. Also I don't think any DT was worth taking a risk on, knowing that the DT started playing better and the guys that went on IR were thrown to the wolves, what team has ever started 2 rookie DT at the same time before.

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[quote name='Bullethead527' timestamp='1337903193' post='1782759']
This^^^^^^

It still might be a weakness, but it will be an approved weakness. Drafting Luke was BPA, and also it strengthen a spot that we felt was the strongest on DEF last year. We all no what happened to our strongest position on DEF last year. Also I don't think any DT was worth taking a risk on, knowing that the DT started playing better and the guys that went on IR were thrown to the wolves, what team has ever started 2 rookie DT at the same time before.
[/quote] I agree but it was bothersome for Rivera sweeping it under the rug as if we are fine especially at the UT assuming Edwards returns in good health and shape.I am glad we have Luke but would beg borrow or still to sign a FA.

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I'm "cautiously optimistic".

Rivera believes we are good at DT, so I'm going to trust him on that.

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Fua < Shirley

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Eh, good no but I trust Rivera and feel like everyone will raise their level of play this year.

On paper this team looks good to me but we all know you when games on the field, so we'll see what happens.

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[quote name='CatMan72' timestamp='1337903800' post='1782774']
I'm "cautiously optimistic".

Rivera believes we are good at DT, so I'm going to trust him on that.
[/quote]I wonder if he really believes we have a starting caliber UT or are they defending those two 3rd round draft picks that seem to suck

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with ron edwards, we should be ok...without edwards, well we suck at dt.

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I am confident in what we've got for now. Do we have any pro-bowlers at DT? Not now, but 2 mid round picks that had no training camp and were surrounded by injuries and poor DB play can't be fully evaluated, IMO. I also don't think that Edwards is a franchise changing player in the middle, but I do think his presence will help add a little glue inside to help the younger guys learn. For this reason, I trust what Rivera and the coaching staff has seen in day-to-day activities more than 3 hours on a Sunday. Besides, the free agency market for DT's was kinda garbage and bringing in anyone not named Fletcher Cox would've been nothing more than another rookie being plugged in to play. I think we have a stable of young promising players and I feel like at least one will shake out as a forceful starting DT that we can count on for the future. My money is on McClain or possibly going with a "Giants" kind of mentality with rotating players like Johnson, Anderson, etc. in along the line. Basically putting the best 11 defensive players on the field.
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I think Fua problem was technique, I remember reading an article saying while in college he was able to overpower people, but being in the NFL, everyone is strong. So once he gets his technique down, he should be better, you can't teach a guy technique and NFL strength and conditioning under the circumstances last year. So I expect to see a vast improvement out of Fua this year.

McClain- I don't like him at all, he might even be better than Fua , but I remember he held out for awhile, once the lockout ended, trying to nickel and dime his contract, I understand players want more money, but come on man you was a 3rd pick, under the new CBA, there is not a whole lot of wiggle room.

Edwards as experience- he plays the position good, IMO. He is no Suh, but he is a guy that will command a double team, and has the experience that we don't have at the position.

Neblett and Kearse should be higher on the depth chart than Fua and McClain. Those guys came in and it looked like a totally different DL, minus the Saints* game....

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I am going to go ahead and trust Rivera's experience in coaching the DL over anyone on this board.

I'll say yes.
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I think we are good. Two sophomores with an offseason to grow and learn, Edwards will hopefully provide some veteran experience and eat space, and a vote of confidence from a defensive minded head coach. If a player became available who could contribute, of course I would hope we would be interested, but anyone who thinks that shows a lack of confidence must not believe in the importance of depth.

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Nope not convinced at all. I havent waffled on both sides of the fence about this like others have either.

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Convinced? Nope. Confident in Rivera's ability to improve who we already have. Yep.

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I won't say that I feel good about it but I will say that because of our LB I feel a little more comfortable about it and that drafting a top LB, to me, was a greater need than drafting a another DT that may not pan out. I don't believe that you give up on a draft pick after 1 season, I do believe that you get competition at that position if you doubt that draft picks ability to improve. I wanted us to target two key positions first: CB and LB, in that order. Although I'm not dissapointed that we got a LB first, but we skipped CB. I wanted Janoris Jenkins. Anyway, better LB play should hide some of the miscues by DT's. A lot of the rushing yardage that we gave up was to the outside and not up the middle, between the DT's. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have Kris Jenkins or his clone collasping the pocket but until we can get that, we've got to build around it.

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Well be fine there...McFua should be better, Edwards should protect the linebackers..and neblett and kearse were very solid at the end of the year. It'll be DT by committee this year

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It wasn't a DT by commitee last year? With the same people?

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[quote name='FirstRoundPick' timestamp='1337912981' post='1782936']
It wasn't a DT by commitee last year? With the same people?
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Yes, and 3 of them were rookies, along with a 2nd year UDFA. It is not unreasonable to expect improvement.

No one expects All Pro play from them, just improvement

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It wasn't a DT by commitee last year? With the same people?
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Yes it was DT by committee last year, but this year, we got 2 all-pro LB back from injury, Keuchly, whatever Alexander brings, improved CB play (hopefully Hogan) and improved safety play (with Smith and Nakamura) to help out the DTs... oh and our best DT back from injury.

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[quote name='FirstRoundPick' timestamp='1337912981' post='1782936']
It wasn't a DT by commitee last year? With the same people?
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Rivera only really activated McClain and fua at the beginning of the year...the third DT barely played whether it was fields or neblett. Late in the year there was more of an active rotation

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