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Panthers 7th in yards per offensive play, 28th in Total Offense

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The Panthers are tied for 7th in the NFL in yards per offensive play, gaining a very nice 5.8 yards a snap.

They are 28th in the NFL in total offense, though.

It is a very remarkable disparity. Shocking, actually.

It would be almost impossible to accomplish except for one reason: inability to convert on 3rd down.
The Panthers are dead last in the NFL in Total First Downs

Now, let the chorus of "Chud's a Moron" and "Rivera's an idiot" and "meaningless stat" begin.

There is a problem, though.

The reality is that the majority of 3rd down conversions in the NFL are those of between 3-7 yards.

These are manageable distances. Passing situations in the NFL, for sure, but manageable.

How is the Panthers' passing offense doing in those situations?

They are completing 43% of their passing attempts. Dead last in the NFL.

3rd and 3-7 is not rocket science territory, folks. You can either pass, screen or draw, but ultimately, your QB has got to be able to stand in the pocket and make a play...and probably make a short to medium throw into a tight window. If he can't do it consistantly, or refuses to try by forcing the ball downfield, you are going to be in trouble. And the Panthers are in big trouble unless this changes.

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its hard to be effective on 3rd down when your offensive line sucks donkey d*cks

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Cam is under duress almost every snap. His fuging starting guards is a rookie and a center playing guard. This is no susprise. Our line is poo

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It

is

a

crazy

stat!
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Panthers....

WORST record in NFC

There are no more silver linings

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It doesn't hold water.

Remember, your team is one of the best in the NFL in yards per offensive play. If the offensive line was as atrocious as you suggest, this would not, could not happen.

I might also bring up the fact that the "atrocious offensive line" is actually ranked 7th in the NFC. Not great, but not horrible either.

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[quote name='TonyN' timestamp='1351560281' post='1971357']
It doesn't hold water.

Remember, your team is one of the best in the NFL in yards per offensive play. If the offensive line was as atrocious as you suggest, this would not, could not happen.

I might also bring up the fact that the "atrocious offensive line" is actually ranked 7th in the NFC. Not great, but not horrible either.
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We're not ranked 7th in nothing by a mile.

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/topic/78189-football-outsiders-offensive-line-rankings/
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cam newton has a qb rating of 35.0 when under pressure...

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Funny, PFT or PFW had something a week before this saying our offensive line was ranked 26th in the league.....................there was a thread on this as well.

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[quote name='jtgreensboro' timestamp='1351560522' post='1971364']
We're not ranked 7th in nothing by a mile.

[url="http://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/topic/78189-football-outsiders-offensive-line-rankings/"]http://www.carolinah...-line-rankings/[/url]
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Thank you for posting this, sir.

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[quote name='jtgreensboro' timestamp='1351560522' post='1971364']
We're not ranked 7th in nothing by a mile.

[url="http://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/topic/78189-football-outsiders-offensive-line-rankings/"]http://www.carolinah...-line-rankings/[/url]
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[url="http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol"]30th in run blocking and 26th in pass pro now[/url], so getting worse.

Keep in mind that the OP is of the opinion that coaching is fine. i.e. he's reading stats, not watching games.

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[quote name='jtgreensboro' timestamp='1351560522' post='1971364']
We're not ranked 7th in nothing by a mile.

[url="http://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/topic/78189-football-outsiders-offensive-line-rankings/"]http://www.carolinah...-line-rankings/[/url]

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I got my number from the espn offensive line stats. If you like that site for your stats, well and good. It doesn't change anything regardless.

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[quote name='TonyN' timestamp='1351560843' post='1971374']


I got my number from the espn offensive line stats. If you like that site for your stats, well and good. It doesn't change anything regardless.
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Umm whatever bro, lol. Our offensive line horrible. Why do you think we keep shuffling it around? Kalil is gone, Byers is a center playing guard. And Amini is struggling as a rookie.

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boom or bust offense. Not sustainable. You have to run the ball well to keep the ball.
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[quote name='Sloth' timestamp='1351560723' post='1971371']


[url="http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol"]30th in run blocking and 26th in pass pro now[/url], so getting worse.

Keep in mind that the OP is of the opinion that coaching is fine. i.e. he's reading stats, not watching games.
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It doesn't matter bro, this poster knows everything. Pure genius. Lol

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[quote name='jtgreensboro' timestamp='1351560522' post='1971364']
We're not ranked 7th in nothing by a mile.

[url="http://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/topic/78189-football-outsiders-offensive-line-rankings/"]http://www.carolinah...-line-rankings/[/url]
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Here you go...remember I said 7th NFC
I sorted the link to total NFL where the Panthers rank 18th. Not great for sure. Clearly mediocre. But far from the worst in the league.
[url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&qualified=true&role=TM&tabSeq=2"]http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&qualified=true&role=TM&tabSeq=2[/url]
And good enough to get you 5.8 yards per offensive play, which is very good indeed.

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That is ranked by only sacks

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I opened the thread and saw TonyN as the op. I then yawned and skipped his whole premise. Let me guess: Cam is responsible for our offensive woes.

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Ugh, TonyN has posted nothing but the same worthless argument over and over again. I have no idea why he decided to start a fresh thread with the same tired rhetoric that he's already spouted in countless other threads.
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[quote name='Floppin' timestamp='1351563096' post='1971427']
Ugh, TonyN has posted nothing but the same worthless argument over and over again. I have no idea why he decided to start a fresh thread with the same tired rhetoric that he's already spouted in countless other threads.
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Thanks, didn't know. *puts on ignore*

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[quote name='Floppin' timestamp='1351563096' post='1971427']
Ugh, TonyN has posted nothing but the same worthless argument over and over again. I have no idea why he decided to start a fresh thread with the same tired rhetoric that he's already spouted in countless other threads.
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All are welcome to ignore my posts. I believe the websites control panel gives you that option. I suggest you take advantage of it. Very interesting that amid all the ruffled petticoats, not a single poster has begun to explain the reasons for the offensive disparity except to invoke the "offensive line sucks" nonsense. Stats are just stats, but they beat the hell out of everything else...which is ultimately just opinion.

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The worst thing about this year? Last year there was only one PFFL. Now there seems to be 20. All posting the same poo and all misinformed as hell.

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[quote name='TonyN' timestamp='1351563757' post='1971445']

All are welcome to ignore my posts. I believe the websites control panel gives you that option. I suggest you take advantage of it. Very interesting that amid all the ruffled petticoats, not a single poster has begun to explain the reasons for the offensive disparity except to invoke the "offensive line sucks" nonsense. Stats are just stats, but they beat the hell out of everything else...which is ultimately just opinion.
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It's really very simple. Our offense up until this past week was boom or bust. Our entire offense and especially our running game were run almost exclusively out of the shotgun read option set. As a running play it was either a tackle for loss or a run for big gain.

Our passing game was more of the same. The majority of our passes were out of read option play action fakes, with very little short to intermediate route running. The slow developing read option play action would allow for long developing routes to finish, but it also allowed for pressure to get to Cam, more often than is desirable.

The basic point is that when our offense ran a successful play in prior weeks it was a big gain as we had very few short to intermediate yardage plays that were run on a consistent basis. This put us into a lot of 3rd and intermediate and longs. What this gives you is a large yards per play average but small overall offensive success and first downs.

This past week you saw a change, we ran a lot of quick routes and traditional power runs. It was a pretty big shift from prior weeks and we weren't exactly crisp, but it was a more balanced offense by far. The quick timing route that Smitty slipped on that was picked for six is a good example of a play that we hadn't run much before this week, and we saw similar plays all day long yesterday.

So YES, the problem has been play calling and overall offensive design. The read option might have worked had we had a better run blocking o-line, but as things are...it sucked major donkey nuts.
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does the OP remind anyone of PFFL?

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Where is that troll who said that everything revolved around ypp?

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