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[size=4]We are talking about being able to manage grown men not an online madden dynasty team. [b](If you have worked as an HR or manager you can relate)[/b] [/size]


[indent=1][size=4]most of us act like an expert who can predict the future and can fix all the panthers. We can just sign a blue chip free agent [b](look at the eagles and redskins)[/b] [/size][/indent]
[indent=1][size=4]we can draft the best players [b](look at New England “past 5 draft classes”, other than their TEs who else is elite)[/b]. When it comes to drafting ([b]it is a Crab shoot and a whole lots of luck) [/b]we have to realize that less than 10 percent of the total draft prospects ever reaches the elite status, and more than half are out of the league before 3 years. [/size][/indent]
[size=4]My point is let the front office go through their due process in hiring a qualified GM. We have more talent on this team than some playoff teams have. In my opinion in order for the panthers to gel as a team we need 3 things[/size][list=1]
[*][size=4]We need an emotional head coach who can bring the team together by being the face and taking responsibility for the product he puts on the fields and not a 22yrs QB (look at SF, TB, ATL, NO) 49ers before and after Harbaugh, I like how TB coach took responsibility for still playing hard on a knee down, and John Fox took responsibility for Tebow and Jake Delhomme mess[/size]

[*][size=4]We need someone who can manage the Cap mess we are in now and deal with contracts[/size]

[*][size=4]We need someone DIFFERENT who is in charge of personal decision[/size]
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[size=4]These job duties has to be held my at least 3 different individuals. In my opinion Marty Hurney is a good talent evaluator in the league (if you disagree look at other teams past 5 draft classes) the problem was that he also dealt with contracts and personal decision[/size]

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nothing like a good crab shoot
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the fug?
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Q: What if I really am an expert who really does know it all?
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How bout we have a little better attitude...be nice when you start a topic...you're likely to get a better response and fewer trolls...the CDF has been enjoying the relaxation...wouldn't want to change that now would we...

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[quote name='Rubi' timestamp='1354635272' post='2030965']
How bout we have a little better attitude...be nice when you start a topic...you're likely to get a better response and fewer trolls...the CDF has been enjoying the relaxation...wouldn't want to change that now would we...
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did not mean for it to come out as an attack... just asking for an open mind

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You lost me at Marty Hurney top talent evaluator.

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[quote name='TheRed' timestamp='1354635456' post='2030971']
You lost me at Marty Hurney top talent evaluator.
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Fixed the Title
he is a good evaluator its just that he shows too much loyalty to picks an dont know when to walk away.. but we have average about 3 starters per draft class

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[quote name='Cam2Ligit2Quit' timestamp='1354635718' post='2030981']

Fixed the Title
he is a good evaluator its just that he shows too much loyalty to picks an dont know when to walk away.. but we have average about 3 starters per draft class
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Problem is 2 out of those 3 aren't starters on any other team

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[quote name='Cam2Ligit2Quit' timestamp='1354634748' post='2030945'][size=4]We need an emotional head coach who can bring the team together by being the face and taking responsibility for the product he puts on the fields and not a 22yrs QB (look at SF, TB, ATL, NO) 49ers before and after Harbaugh, I like how TB coach took responsibility for still playing hard on a knee down, and John Fox took responsibility for Tebow and Jake Delhomme mess[/size]
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ok....we don't need an "emotional" HC. we just need a smart one that knows what he's doing. being emo or not is irrelevant.

and did you just use john fox as an example of an emotional coach? lol
if you didn't then i'm not sure what i read cause i barely got that out of it.

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Draft wins[list=1]
[*]Peppers 1rd
[*]Gross 1rd
[*]Gamble 1rd
[*]T. Davis 1rd
[*]D. Will 1rd
[*]J. Beason 1rd
[*]J. Stewart 1rd
[*]C. Newton 1rd
[*]L. Kuechly 1rd
[*]Godfrey 3 rd
[*]C Johnson 3 rd
[*]J. Anderson 3 rd
[*]T Wharton 2rd
[*]Ryan Kalil 2rd
[*]Captain Munnerlyn 2009 (I added him because of a 7[sup]th[/sup] rd that is a good Nickle but not so much a #2 or #1 CB)
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Draft Loses[list=1]
[*]Bruce Nelson 2003 2rd
[*]Mike Siadman 2003 2rd
[*]Keary Colbert 2004 2rd
[*]Eric Shelton 2005 2rd
[*]Atiyyah Ellison DT 2005 3 rd
[*]Richard Marshall 2006 2rd (Some may not agree)
[*]Rashad Butler 2006 3 rd
[*]Dwayne Jarrett 2007 2rd
[*]Jeff Otah 2008 1rd (Gave up 1[sup]st[/sup] round pick in 2009 and I think a 3[sup]rd[/sup] as well)
[*]Everette Brown 2 rd (Was our 1[sup]st[/sup] round pick if we didn’t trade it away)
[*]C Irvin 3 rd 2009
[*]S Martin 2 rd 2009 (Since most seem to be down on him. I personnel like his play and has gotten better in the tackling area)
[*]J Clausen 2rd (Traded our 1[sup]st[/sup] rd pick away for E Brown in 2009) Major loss
[*]A. Edwards 3 rd 2010 ( sorry we traded away another pick to get back into the 3 rd round to get him. Loss
[*]Eric Norwood 2010 4rd ( added him since this is considered our 3 rd pick)
[*]T McClain 3 rd 2011
[*]Sione F 3 rd 2011
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Draft still open for debate if a bust or not.[list=1]
[*]Brandon LaFell 2010 3 rd
[*]Frank Alexander 2012 4rd (looks promising)
[*]Joe Adams 2012 4rd (looks promising)
[*]Josh Norman 2012 5 rd
[*]Amini Silatolu 2012 2rd
[*]Kealoha Pilares 2011 5rd
[*]David Gettis 6rd 2010
[*]Greg Hardy 6rd 2010 ( Showing progress and Promise)
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All in all, He was not that bad. However i think the fans remeber the really stupid choices the past few season with trading away future 1st round picks for players that where picked to high and the major busts at high WR picks. The one thing to say about him is he has found some diamonds in the rough as well and thats always a good thing.

But is it him or was it the scouting staff that found these players. Some like Gross, Peppers, Dvis, D.Will, Stewart where just no brainers. I, myself never want Otah I want us to pick up Ryan Clady. I was looking at the future LT to replace Gross and where is Clady now? Starting LT for Denver.
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Ryan Clady went before our pick. If we would have traded up for him, we would not have JStew. Otah was looking like a great pick before injuries and weight issues.

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its okay to disagree with me just, prove it with facts. show me a team with a better draft class the past 5yrs than the panthers. we just dont have a coach that can make the team gel together... you can say the same thing about SF 2 years ago

[url="http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=roundbyteam"]http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=roundbyteam[/url]

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[quote name='Cam2Ligit2Quit' timestamp='1354638651' post='2031050']
its okay to disagree with me just, prove it with facts. show me a team with a better draft class the past 5yrs than the panthers. we just dont have a coach that can make the team gel together... you can say the same thing about SF 2 years ago

[url="http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=roundbyteam"]http://www.nfl.com/d...ype=roundbyteam[/url]
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That only strengthens the notion that the team has sucked for the most part in that time frame.
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Otah was a top 5 RT in the leauge B4 the weight Issues an injuries, same with Jenkins DT. unlike Jenkins , OTAH lacked the heart and work ethics. you can determin or evaluate that during the draft

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[quote name='h0llywood' timestamp='1354638970' post='2031056']

That only strengthens the notion that the team has sucked for the most part in that time frame.
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you can go 10yrs if you wan to.... Hurney main issue was that he showed too much loyalty to his players when it comes to contract time..

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The CDF joke is dead

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[quote name='Cam2Ligit2Quit' timestamp='1354638651' post='2031050']
its okay to disagree with me just, prove it with facts. show me a team with a better draft class the past 5yrs than the panthers. we just dont have a coach that can make the team gel together... you can say the same thing about SF 2 years ago

[url="http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=roundbyteam"]http://www.nfl.com/d...ype=roundbyteam[/url]
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I agree that we have had some good draft years. I also however feel that we gave away to much to draft some very questionable players that were in the short/long run busts.

Right now we have great talent on the team.. its a coaching issue all around thats affecting the team. Theres not enough aggression on this team and that stems from coaching.

As I stated in another post. Its 4-4 your on your 35-37 yd line and less than 4 minutes left in a game that you r defense has not stopped your opponents offense. WHAT DO you do?

Well RR punted the damn ball and blew any chance of us coming back to win. Thats a none aggresive call. I dont think he wants to stay the HC if he makes a call like that.

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[quote name='panfan32' timestamp='1354640217' post='2031080']
I agree that we have had some good draft years. I also however feel that we gave away to much to draft some very questionable players that were in the short/long run busts.

Right now we have great talent on the team.. its a coaching issue all around thats affecting the team. Theres not enough aggression on this team and that stems from coaching.

As I stated in another post. Its 4-4 your on your 35-37 yd line and less than 4 minutes left in a game that you r defense has not stopped your opponents offense. WHAT DO you do?

Well RR punted the damn ball and blew any chance of us coming back to win. Thats a none aggresive call. I dont think he wants to stay the HC if he makes a call like that.
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[size=4][color=#222222]That’s the point I was making, our coaches looks like they are not capable of game planning and managing. Hurney has assembled a team to make and go deep in the playoffs, the only time the coach adjust his game plan is to not to lose game plan, which we know how it turns out... if team is constantly losing close games then it has to be the coach not players... even most of players have complained about playing too soft or how the Bears ran the same play to win [/color][/size]

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I don't think there is much to debate right now. It's pretty unanimous from fans that the coaches need to go.

Hurney had his supporters here but now that he's gone what is the relevance in talking about him?

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[quote name='TheRed' timestamp='1354643822' post='2031158']
I don't think there is much to debate right now. It's pretty unanimous from fans that the coaches need to go.

Hurney had his supporters here but now that he's gone what is the relevance in talking about him?
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And If I remember correctly, it was said that Hurney was the sacrifical lamb since he did not do what JR wanted him to do and fire someone. I would love to know the truth about this and who he refused to fire.

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Another way to rebuild the Panther is to stop destroying his habitat. Man is their biggest enemy IMO.
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[quote name='panfan32' timestamp='1354644228' post='2031167']


And If I remember correctly, it was said that Hurney was the sacrifical lamb since he did not do what JR wanted him to do and fire someone. I would love to know the truth about this and who he refused to fire.
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I don't buy that, if such was the case then Rivera would already be gone. Hurney's track record here speaks for itself, zero back to back winning seasons. The fiasco that is the Rivera hire was just the final straw.

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