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What the Colts did that I hope the Panthers mirror.


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Whatever you feelings About Luck and the Colts, the simple fact is that the team went from 2 wins to 11 in one season.

Was it Great coaching? ..Did luck gross people out with his sloth face so they didnt want to sack him with all that slobber in his neck beard? Is Luck the second coming?

To me, one of the key things that facilitad this sussess is a total focus from the owner: Clean House: Polian out! Manning out(injury risk, age,money)! Dallas Clark(injuries and money) out!

During the draft they got Luck but also got a TE Colby Fleener, playmaking WR TY Hilton, LT Anthony Costanzo. A great foundation for a young QB. Retaining Reggie Wayne also a key for the offense.

Carolina to their credit did trade for Greg Olsen, signed Jeremy Shockey, extended Steve Smith.

However they never aquired another gamebreaking WR or help solidify the Oline. They actually allowed it to get more inexperienced and back filled it with UFAs and average vets.

Season 2 had no more added weapons on offense: drafting a young Div 3 Silatolu over a SEC battle tested LT Cordy Glenn was questionable. Allowing Shockey to go unsigned with nothing to replace him with was a poor decision as well. It seemed like Shockey was always savvy sitting in open areas in the zone and brought a toughness to the offense.

Hurney made it seem like we traded for 2007 Randy Moss with the Louis Murphy signing but his play has been avg on his best day.

This next draft is geared to solidify weapons and solidifying the OLine. DT is a need but going top 10 in defense this season with the Edwards does prove that unless there is a Ngata type(Star will not be avail at 15) we could plug it with vets there while fixing the offensive side which will regress quicker than we think.

Whoever the GM is I hope the Colts focus to get the future all the weapons will be duplicated here in Carolina.. And Newton agrees.
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They badly need better OL and a good, young primary receiver.

Drops and poor protection killed them today.

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First: Chance Warmack/ Eric Fisher
Second: Patterson, Hopkins, Best Available WR

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I'm really starting to like the idea of Warmack in the 1st. I know #14 is high for an OG, but Warmack has the ability to be an elite NFL OG and we badly need a RG. The Colts' success with Manning began with realizing they had their franchise QB in place and committing to providing that QB with everything he needed to succeed. They got Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Jeff Saturday, Dallas Clark, and on and on. They built around Peyton Manning. We need to build around Cam Newton.
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I'm going to flip it and say take the best available WR first, then go o-line in the 2nd.
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If we go oline/WR in the first and second...we best get an impact player at the safety position via free agency.

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[quote name='TANTRIC-NINJA' timestamp='1357523508' post='2081625']
Whatever you feelings About Luck and the Colts, the simple fact is that the team went from 2 wins to 11 in one season.

Was it Great coaching? ..Did luck gross people out with his sloth face so they didnt want to sack him with all that slobber in his neck beard? Is Luck the second coming?

To me, one of the key things that facilitad this sussess is a total focus from the owner: Clean House: Polian out! Manning out(injury risk, age,money)! Dallas Clark(injuries and money) out!

During the draft they got Luck but also got a TE Colby Fleener, playmaking WR TY Hilton, LT Anthony Costanzo. A great foundation for a young QB. Retaining Reggie Wayne also a key for the offense.

Carolina to their credit did trade for Greg Olsen, signed Jeremy Shockey, extended Steve Smith.

However they never aquired another gamebreaking WR or help solidify the Oline. They actually allowed it to get more inexperienced and back filled it with UFAs and average vets.

Season 2 had no more added weapons on offense: drafting a young Div 3 Silatolu over a SEC battle tested LT Cordy Glenn was questionable. Allowing Shockey to go unsigned with nothing to replace him with was a poor decision as well. It seemed like Shockey was always savvy sitting in open areas in the zone and brought a toughness to the offense.

Hurney made it seem like we traded for 2007 Randy Moss with the Louis Murphy signing but his play has been avg on his best day.

This next draft is geared to solidify weapons and solidifying the OLine. DT is a need but going top 10 in defense this season with the Edwards does prove that unless there is a Ngata type(Star will not be avail at 15) we could plug it with vets there while fixing the offensive side which will regress quicker than we think.

Whoever the GM is I hope the Colts focus to get the future all the weapons will be duplicated here in Carolina.. And Newton agrees.
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The Panthers have the Dan Gilbert syndrome. We got Cam Newton, why do I need to spend any more money up grading key positions? I mean, Cam is the show!

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You can get one of the top 2 receivers at 14 (Allen and Patterson).Three OL will already be off the board, leaving the next level guys. I prefer Allen and Aboushi/Warford/Thomas over Warmack and Hunter/Woods. At this point I see Hopkins and TWill late 1 early 2.
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TY Hilton's emergence with Avery as a formidable option really helped Luck out beyond Wayne. Hilton I think was one of the biggest reasons Luck did what he did.

There's just so many WRs that can help us imo in this upcoming draft I just don't want to see us pass up on them

My personal favs are Allen, DeAndre Hopkins, T-Will, Quinton Patton, & Cobi Hamilton
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What the Panthers need from the Colts......






The Colts Schedule, I would seriously consider killing someone if it meant we would get the Colts Schedule,
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Patterson isn't going at 14. Nor should he He's a Stephen Hill type prospect who may creep in at the bottom of the first. Hopkins stock is going to skyrocket and wont be there when we pick in the second. May not be there when we pick in the first, honestly, depending on who Miami likes better between Allen and Hopkins. This is a terrible WR class.

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[quote name='OnlyPantherFaninMaine' timestamp='1357525142' post='2081690']
If we go oline/WR in the first and second...we best get an impact player at the safety position via free agency.
[/quote]I personally see this as a weak safety class and would hope to spend the biggest chunk of what little we have on a FA Safety.

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[quote name='Swaggasaurus' timestamp='1357525927' post='2081721']
I personally see this as a weak safety class and would hope to spend the biggest chunk of what little we have on a FA Safety.
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This is one of the best Safety classes ever. Where ever you're getting this stuff from, call someone to come block it on your browser.

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[quote name='Swaggasaurus' timestamp='1357525595' post='2081705']
You can get one of the top 2 receivers at 14 (Allen and Patterson).Three OL will already be off the board, leaving the next level guys. I prefer Allen and Aboushi/Warford/Thomas over Warmack and Hunter/Woods. At this point I see Hopkins and TWill late 1 early 2.
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Yes. Allen please.

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[quote name='Mr. Scot' timestamp='1357524597' post='2081674']
They badly need better OL and a good, young primary receiver.

Drops and poor protection killed them today.
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A more frequent scene in a Charlotte area unfortunately. At least the colts players will get their rookie lumps out at the same time! Cam may have to wait and frustrate through with new guys... So we are behind.

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[quote name='Doc Holiday' timestamp='1357525791' post='2081714']
What the Panthers need from the Colts......






The Colts Schedule, I would seriously consider killing someone if it meant we would get the Colts Schedule,
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If we're lucky enough we'd even get to play the Chiefs.
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[quote name='Growl' timestamp='1357526063' post='2081726']


This is one of the best Safety classes ever. Where ever you're getting this stuff from, call someone to come block it on your browser.
[/quote]LOL this class is horrid and may end up without a first rounder. Reid
, Vaccaro, and Elam are all fringe 1/2, are better in the box and have major flaws in coverage.

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i think based on what im reading for others, we need to also mirror Indy's schedule and divison they are in. because that was why they won so many games.

and maybe have one coach miss several games to get cancer treatment and then have your OC miss his only game of the year in the playoffs.

yeah. lets mirror that.

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[quote name='Growl' timestamp='1357525868' post='2081718']
Patterson isn't going at 14. Nor should he He's a Stephen Hill type prospect who may creep in at the bottom of the first. Hopkins stock is going to skyrocket and wont be there when we pick in the second. May not be there when we pick in the first, honestly, depending on who Miami likes better between Allen and Hopkins. This is a terrible WR class.
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not really.CP was in a more pro style offense compared to Hill. CP also returned kicks and punts.he even played some RB so he is a lot more versatile.

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[quote name='Swaggasaurus' timestamp='1357526470' post='2081745']
LOL this class is horrid and may end up without a first rounder. Reid
, Vaccaro, and Elam are all fringe 1/2, are better in the box and have major flaws in coverage.
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I'll ignore the fact that other than Elam you're completely ignoring the top of the class (but walterfootball said!) and get straight to the point.

It's this same, stupid argument a few posters hold that gets shot to oblivion every year.

"like zomg! How can you say this class is good!?! There's not even a <insert once in a lifetime blue chip talent> at <whatever position poster thinks we should get>!!! this class is horrible!!"

Never mind the fact that late first early second round talents at safety will likely be available when were picking again in the 4th, this class is is TeH sukz! I mean do you see a Sean Taylor in this class! I sure don't!!"

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He's an incredibly raw prospect that has played one year of real football without much production. He drips potential but he is incredibly unrefined and I really really doubt he's a viable selection for us in the first

Oh and please don't even begin to compare him to Cam. Cam was much more refined as a player coming out in comparison to Patterson at their respective position, and put up massive production en route to single handedly leading his crappy team to an undefeated season.

I know you didn't say anything about Cam, but I could see some loon doing it.


[quote name='DaCityKats' timestamp='1357527156' post='2081770']

not really.CP was in a more pro style offense compared to Hill. CP also returned kicks and punts.he even played some RB so he is a lot more versatile.
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[quote name='Growl' timestamp='1357527501' post='2081783']


I'll ignore the fact that other than Elam you're completely ignoring the top of the class (but walterfootball said!) and get straight to the point.

It's this same, stupid argument a few posters hold that gets shot to oblivion every year.

"like zomg! How can you say this class is good!?! There's not even a <insert once in a lifetime blue chip talent> at <whatever position poster thinks we should get>!!! this class is horrible!!"

Never mind the fact that late first early second round talents at safety will likely be available when were picking again in the 4th, this class is is TeH sukz! I mean do you see a Sean Taylor in this class! I sure don't!!"
[/quote]Listen man, I form my own opinion on these things and could give 2 shits about the popular names on here. It's a bad class to me and they are all flawed severely. I think Lester and McDonald are complete garbage. Reid takes horrible angles to the ball carrier and Elam can't cover Dwayne Jarrett with one leg. Now if we had a third I would welcome DJ Swearinger or Tony Jefferson. I see those 2 as the safties who have a great future in the NFL.

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[quote name='pstall' timestamp='1357526994' post='2081760']
i think based on what im reading for others, we need to also mirror Indy's schedule and divison they are in. because that was why they won so many games.

and maybe have one coach miss several games to get cancer treatment and then have your OC miss his only game of the year in the playoffs.

yeah. lets mirror that.
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Im glad you got the point.. Nice post. Go back to the Tinderbox and clean your gun drunk.. Jk

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[quote name='Growl' timestamp='1357525868' post='2081718']
Patterson isn't going at 14. Nor should he He's a Stephen Hill type prospect who may creep in at the bottom of the first. Hopkins stock is going to skyrocket and wont be there when we pick in the second. May not be there when we pick in the first, honestly, depending on who Miami likes better between Allen and Hopkins. This is a terrible WR class.
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I think some of the more hyped guys particularly from that state west of NC have great skill-sets and dominant abilities, but have at least one big thing that makes them question marks. Examples such as Patterson's lackluster (that's being very kind) route running, Hunter's drops + health, and Rodger's off-field issues + in-game attitude. I'm not saying they suck or won't do well, but there's glaring weaknesses with certain hot names near the top of the class and additionally, there's no for sure top wideout...so from one perspective it does look pretty bad like you said.

Definitely a lack of flashiness in this class and a for-sure-stud-WR, but I think a handful of really solid guys that would be great fits for us. Bottom line, we need a big play threat and I think they are out there. Hopkins & T-Will I think fit best for us imo but I wouldn't sleep on the likes of Cobi & Patton.

Just depends where the pieces fall and who rises/falls through the offseason. Its a process and we'll evaluate things moving forward :)

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[quote name='Growl' timestamp='1357527501' post='2081783']
[b]I'll ignore the fact that other than Elam you're completely ignoring the top of the class[/b] (but walterfootball said!) and get straight to the point.

It's this same, stupid argument a few posters hold that gets shot to oblivion every year.

"like zomg! How can you say this class is good!?! There's not even a <insert once in a lifetime blue chip talent> at <whatever position poster thinks we should get>!!! this class is horrible!!"

Never mind the fact that late first early second round talents at safety will likely be available when were picking again in the 4th, this class is is TeH sukz! I mean do you see a Sean Taylor in this class! I sure don't!!"
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Please do tell who you think is the top of the class so that I can laugh at you.

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