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It's highly possible (some might even say likely) that Dave Gettleman won't be the only new name added to the Panthers front office this offseason. Ernie Accorsi's job as a consultant gave him the ability to suggest changes in front office structure. It's also reasonable to think Gettleman will want to put his own imprint on the organization, and do so with some people he knows and trusts.

Here are a few guys from the Giants that could conceivably be brought along and what roles they could fill.


[b]Matt Harriss, Giants Director of Football Operations[/b]

Spent five years in the League Management Office where he worked with the salary cap and CBA. Has been assisting the front office with salary cap management and contract negotiation since 2006. Was mentioned by Giants reporter Mike Garafolo when asked by the WFNZ guys who Gettleman could conceivably bring with him. Would likely make a very good cap manager.

([url="http://www.giants.com/team/staff/matt-harriss/4a6f8f9e-cc39-4185-ac88-3bbeed0a95e8"]Giants.com bio[/url])


[b]Matt Shauger, Giants Pro Scout[/b]

Ten years experience as a pro scout. Helped author a 125 page report on the Patriots that became the basis for the Giants game plan when they beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. Could be a solid replacement for current Director of Pro Scouting Mark Koncz and possibly even serve as a guy Gettleman could groom to be his eventual replacement.

([url="http://www.giants.com/team/staff/matt-shauger/a6749ed6-352b-429c-85c8-3ab1e21a2ed3"]Giants.com bio[/url])


[b]Joe Collins, Executive Scout[/b]

Collins has actually been in the scouting game even longer than Gettleman. He has 40 years of experience doing both college and pro scouting. From 1999-2001 he was Director of Player Personnel for the newly re-formed Cleveland Browns. He could hold the same role here if the Panthers decided to recreate that position (which, in my opinion, would be a good idea).

([url="http://www.giants.com/team/staff/joe-collins/c4faa17c-985e-4c8a-bdd3-a5cc643fc974"]Giants.com bio[/url])


[b]Jeremiah Davis / Steve Verderosa, Executive Scouts[/b]

Two more guys each having 25 years of scouting experience. Davis was once a coach and a recruiter in the college ranks. Verderosa previously worked in the scouting department of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Should the Panthers decide to part with with current Director of College Scouting Don Gregory, either of these two might be considered as a viable replacement.

([url="http://www.giants.com/team/staff/jeremiah-davis/e520d15b-a2aa-483c-9ba0-4b3289be1229"]Giants.com bio - Davis[/url])

([url="http://www.giants.com/team/staff/steve-verderosa/5fe63e41-9773-4e8a-b8af-bc8ec54e48ae"]Giants.com bio - Verderosa[/url])


To be clear, the Giants would have to give permission for any interviews. Also should be noted that there are plenty of other names to consider from the Giants and other teams where Gettleman has worked. Regardless, these are a few names to start a discussion of what other changes the front office might see.
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Inb4 lame Carolina Giants jokes.

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I didn't know who Matt Harris was until about 5 hours ago. It is the second time I've heard his name mentioned though in that time span.

Evidence suggests the Giants know what they're doing.

I'm sold on him.

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I was skimming a few NYG fan forums and most of the posts about Gettleman were worried about who leaves with him.

Thanks for the review, Mr. Scot.
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[quote name='Bwood' timestamp='1357785441' post='2087179']
Inb4 lame Carolina Giants jokes.
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Another exceptional post from one of the worst posters on this board.

Don't u have some Akron Zips players to "scout" on YouTube?

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would love to grab Matt Harriss. There would be no more ridiculous contracts

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[quote name='MrTouchdown' timestamp='1357785801' post='2087194']


Another exceptional post from one of the worst posters on this board.

Don't u have some Akron Zips players to "scout" on YouTube?
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You aren't worth my time. You proved that you have no credibility once you tried to talk shitt to me for liking the second best LT prospect in the draft because he went to central Michigan. You said I don't watch college football and then I completely made you look like an idiot so you panicked. Now you can't leave me alone and you insist I scout prospects from small schools on youtube because I made you look like an idiot.

I would really stop before it happens again.

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Because I know people wonder, there are [i]conceivable[/i] scenarios where we could get Marc Ross or Giants Assistant GM / Cap Manager Kevin Abrams.

To be honest though, I'd expect either of those acquisitions to be highly unlikely.

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I see MrTD and Bwood are on their menstrual cycles again.......abandon thread.
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Given that Gettleman has been a pro personel guy for the bulk of his career, he may try and get some trusted college scouts in here to help on that end if Gregory is gone. They're likely to have a sit down or two or three...you get my drift. We'll see what happens.

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Wow. A lot happened while I wasn't looking. What are the odds...

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Great work, Mr. Scot. Seems like Harriss, like Sternfield for Gettleman, is Abrams' theoretical replacement as an assistant GM, but if Abrams isn't leaving, maybe we can grab him. That'd be great.

guys are going to hire who they know. People will have to get over that, and for the most part understand that familiarity with the other guy (and a common system) is more important than hiring random name that a fan recognizes.

I don't give any credence to the Abrams or Ross idea. I don't see them losing their executive scouts (I read that as national scouts), but maybe a few of the scouts will be up for grabs for a promotion to national.

I did a similar workup here: it's more generic, but gives some reasons why I would want them to do these things.

[url="http://absolutepanthers.blogspot.com/2013/01/advice.html"]http://absolutepanth.../01/advice.html[/url]

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[quote name='kahakai' timestamp='1357786417' post='2087226']
Given that Gettleman has been a pro personel guy for the bulk of his career, he may try and get some trusted college scouts in here to help on that end if Gregory is gone. They're likely to have a sit down or two or three...you get my drift. We'll see what happens.
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Very possible.

The only thing I truly feel comfortable predicting is that Gettleman will bring along people with whom he's familiar, regardless of whether they're from the Giants or one of his other stops. Obviously, over the course of 25 years in a given business, you make a fair number of acquaintances.

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[quote name='magnus' timestamp='1357786878' post='2087239']
Great work, Mr. Scot. Seems like Harriss, like Sternfield for Gettleman, is Abrams' theoretical replacement as an assistant GM, but if Abrams isn't leaving, maybe we can grab him. That'd be great.

guys are going to hire who they know. People will have to get over that, and for the most part understand that familiarity with the other guy (and a common system) is more important than hiring random name that a fan recognizes.

I don't give any credence to the Abrams or Ross idea. I don't see them losing their executive scouts (I read that as national scouts), but maybe a few of the scouts will be up for grabs for a promotion to national.

I did a similar workup here: it's more generic, but gives some reasons why I would want them to do these things.

[url="http://absolutepanthers.blogspot.com/2013/01/advice.html"]http://absolutepanth.../01/advice.html[/url]
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I'd love for the Panthers to start using that sort of "pre-emptive apprenticeship" structure that the Giants and some others use. It's good strategy both in the office and on the roster.

Good writeup by the way. I'd agree with those suggestions. The org chart is definitely in need of some changes.

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Gettleman isn't known as a cap guy is he??

That's one of the biggest issues no moving forward so I think a specialist needs to be brought in

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[quote name='MrTouchdown' timestamp='1357785801' post='2087194']
Another exceptional post from one of the worst posters on this board.

Don't u have some Akron Zips players to "scout" on YouTube?
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the guys got a much higher percentage of pie than you do for the number of posts made.

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[quote name='MrTouchdown' timestamp='1357787323' post='2087256']
Gettleman isn't known as a cap guy is he??

That's one of the biggest issues no moving forward so I think a specialist needs to be brought in
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None of our candidates were cap guys. All personnel evaluators.

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So does that mean JR is doing the opposite??

Marty = numbers/cap guy & sh1t talent evaluators around him

Gettleman= personel/talent guy & sh1t cap/numbers people around him

???

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[quote name='Tom Cat' timestamp='1357787446' post='2087261']
the guys got a much higher percentage of pie than you do for the number of posts made.
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Everyone's pie was reset on the forum upgrade. IE usernames that are over a year old have built up their current pie in the past year.

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Either way, the good thing is that we still get those yellow and red boxes at the foozball gems

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[quote name='Mr. Scot' timestamp='1357787146' post='2087250']
I'd love for the Panthers to start using that sort of "pre-emptive apprenticeship" structure that the Giants and some others use. It's good strategy both in the office and on the roster.

Good writeup by the way. I'd agree with those suggestions. The org chart is definitely in need of some changes.
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absolutely. Which beats having a department head with no one under him.

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[quote name='magnus' timestamp='1357788434' post='2087301']
absolutely. Which beats having a department head with no one under him.
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Seriously.

Carpanfan96 mentioned that Hurney was essentially a "handle everything myself" kind of guy. I have a feeling that's not what Gettleman wants to be. His experience with the Giants would point to just the opposite.

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[quote name='magnus' timestamp='1357786878' post='2087239']
Great work, Mr. Scot. Seems like Harriss, like Sternfield for Gettleman, is Abrams' theoretical replacement as an assistant GM, but if Abrams isn't leaving, maybe we can grab him. That'd be great.

guys are going to hire who they know. People will have to get over that, and for the most part understand that familiarity with the other guy (and a common system) is more important than hiring random name that a fan recognizes.

I don't give any credence to the Abrams or Ross idea. I don't see them losing their executive scouts (I read that as national scouts), but maybe a few of the scouts will be up for grabs for a promotion to national.

I did a similar workup here: it's more generic, but gives some reasons why I would want them to do these things.

[url="http://absolutepanthers.blogspot.com/2013/01/advice.html"]http://absolutepanth.../01/advice.html[/url]
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good write up.

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regarding cap guys, generally there's a specialist who handles that, but I do feel like guys with a pro personnel background have more experience in valuation. College guys grade, and the grade turns to a board. But pro guys have to give input on veterans that will have a value in the marketplace, and on internal guys who already make an amount of money.

They'll have someone who does that, but I don't think it'll specifically be a weakness.

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i wonder if they will be forming a department of analytics. probably wouldn't hear much about it if they do. it tends to be one of the hush hush areas.

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