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Once Gamble is Cut, Cornerback Becomes Our Biggest Need

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As it's becoming more and more obvious that Chris Gamble is not going to be a Panther next season, I feel like this had to be stated. Whether you agree or disagree about it being our [i]biggest [/i]need, I think it can be agreed that it is a hole that's going to need to be filled.

So what do y'all think we do? Does Gettleman show some of that personnel savvy and pick us up a cheap free agent? Do we address this in the draft? And if so, when? 1st round? 2nd? 4th? 5th? With Milliner likely going before pick #14, are there any other prospects that could be the BPA at that pick? Rhodes? Banks? Trufant? Or do we try to find one of those guys at pick #44 or beyond?

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gamble is a player we can move away from and barely notice. he's not a difference maker. we're not any better or worse of because of him being on or off the field.

it's not any more of a need than it was before.
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Thank you, i said this on the other post. We need to draft best CB available at 14 and/or get Sean Smith.

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if we improve our front 7 our DB's will instantly become better.

when was the last time Gamble played any way?

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[quote name='rayzor' timestamp='1361671362' post='2142619']
gamble is a player we can move away from and barely notice. he's not a difference maker. [b]we're not any better or worse of because of him being on or off the field.[/b]

it's not any more of a need than it was before.
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That's crazy talk. Our pass defense is better with Chris Gamble on the field. The only reason we didn't get thrown all over in the second half of the season was because the D-Line was on fire. I would not feel comfortable going into the season with Munnerlyn, Norman, Thomas, Dockery and some late rounders / UDFAs as our lineup in the secondary.
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We have so many needs that I have forced myself into putting blind in faith in Josh Norman,Josh Thomas,and James Dockery since we survived without Gamble when we finally turned it around and started winning.

I defended Hurney many times but now the more I analyze our cap situation and the major whiffs he had when trading future picks I am starting to think I was just being a homer.

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How many games did we win without Gamble in 2012?

How many games did we lose with Gamble in 2012?

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[quote name='2jakefansinva' timestamp='1361671561' post='2142622']
if we improve our front 7 our DB's will instantly become better.

when was the last time Gamble played any way?
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Yeah, that logic holds as long as we have Hardy and Johnson going up against bad O-Lines like San Diego's. The minute we go up against any type of stout line, where out tackles can't collapse the pocket and the ends only break contain every second or third play instead of every down, we're going to get thrown on for 500 yards.

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who is this Gamble you speak of?

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Chris Gamble has been a non-factor for the Panthers for a long time. Why would cutting him now all of the sudden change things drastically? Obviously we need CB help. Everybody knows that. But We also need D line help, O line help, safety help, wide receiver help, and help at several other positions.

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[quote name='Bullethead527' timestamp='1361671793' post='2142627']
How many games did we win without Gamble in 2012?

How many games did we lose with Gamble in 2012?
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I think this is an overly simplistic view.

We won games late in the season because the D-Line came on like crazy, and more importantly because we moved away from the read option and back to a more traditional pro-style offense.

We did not win more games later in the season because Chris Gamble got injured, or because of the play of our secondary.

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Chris Gamble was a top 5 corner these past few years he was a "non factor."
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didn't we have a top fifteen defense last year without him?

i'd prefer to bring in a stopgap that can play CB2 at or around vet minimum and provide solid depth, leadership, and rotation with guys like thomas and norman.

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No one is denying it isn't a need. Its just we need help at WR, OL, Safety, and Corner. Which one of those do you think is the most important right now? It isn't corner to me. It's helping Cam with a WR or shoring up the Oline. I've heard talk of drafting a safety in the first. I hope that is not the case, as with corner.

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[quote name='chknwing' timestamp='1361671912' post='2142630']
who is this Gamble you speak of?
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I think you, and Panthers fans in general, need a reminder.

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like i said xavier already knew this... dude has psychic powers he doesnt have to gamble. :cool:

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[quote name='Gallagher' timestamp='1361672237' post='2142641']
I think you, and Panthers fans in general, need a reminder.

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That "Highlight tape" looks like its from the 90s, this is 2012. He has been a little above average the past 3 years dude. I love Gamble, i will miss him from a fan perspective. But he hasn't been what that tape showed in some time.

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[quote name='Gallagher' timestamp='1361671872' post='2142629']

Yeah, that logic holds as long as we have Hardy and Johnson going up against bad O-Lines like San Diego's. The minute we go up against any type of stout line, where out tackles can't collapse the pocket and the ends only break contain every second or third play instead of every down, we're going to get thrown on for 500 yards.
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this league is going to pass on you regardless ..........you have to get to the QB and stop the run.

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[quote name='ButWhysTheRumGone' timestamp='1361672236' post='2142640']
No one is denying it isn't a need. Its just we need help at WR, OL, Safety, and Corner. Which one of those do you think is the most important right now? It isn't corner to me. It's helping Cam with a WR or shoring up the Oline. I've heard talk of drafting a safety in the first. I hope that is not the case, as with corner.
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I think OL is instantly better with Kalil back. The prospect of Gross, SIlatolu, Kalil, Hangartner, and Bell as an O-Line lineup as well as the depth of offensive linemen in this draft, makes it easy for us to wait until the 2nd round to take a guard.

Our receiving core still had nearly 4000 yards last season, and can only get better with Gettis and Adams being utilized and Pilares being healthy.

Safety is a need, but Campbell and Martin played well at the end of the season, which I think allows us to wait until the 4th or 5th to pick someone up.

So, at least to me, corner seems like the most important concern right now, until someone can convince me otherwise with an argument that isn't 'Making the D-Line better makes the secondary better.'

Making the D-Line better does not make the secondary better, it just covers up how bad they are.

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[quote name='ButWhysTheRumGone' timestamp='1361672236' post='2142640']
No one is denying it isn't a need. Its just we need help at WR, OL, Safety, and Corner. Which one of those do you think is the most important right now? It isn't corner to me. It's helping Cam with a WR or shoring up the Oline. I've heard talk of drafting a safety in the first. I hope that is not the case, as with corner.
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don't forget DT too.

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[quote name='panther4life' timestamp='1361672699' post='2142652']
don't forget DT too.
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we are fuged aren't we? haha jk.

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Gamble should have kept the dreads. Looked like much more of a baller with them

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[quote name='2jakefansinva' timestamp='1361672534' post='2142648']
this league is going to pass on you regardless ..........you have to get to the QB and stop the run.
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I don't understand this mentality. Yeah, the rules on pass interference are stacked in the offense's favor, but an elite CB like Darell Revis or Richard Sherman can shut down #1 receivers.

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[quote name='Gallagher' timestamp='1361672635' post='2142649']

I think OL is instantly better with Kalil back. The prospect of Gross, SIlatolu, Kalil, Hangartner, and Bell as an O-Line lineup as well as the depth of offensive linemen in this draft, makes it easy for us to wait until the 2nd round to take a guard.

Our receiving core still had nearly 4000 yards last season, and can only get better with Gettis and Adams being utilized and Pilares being healthy.

Safety is a need, but Campbell and Martin played well at the end of the season, which I think allows us to wait until the 4th or 5th to pick someone up.

So, at least to me, corner seems like the most important concern right now, until someone can convince me otherwise with an argument that isn't 'Making the D-Line better makes the secondary better.'

Making the D-Line better does not make the secondary better, it just covers up how bad they are.
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This is where i think you are wrong. No corner can cover the recievers that are in the NFCS if they are given the time of day. Julio, White, Jackson, Colston are elite. We saw what happened when we got pressure on the QB, our average corners looked great. This is the reality of the situation.

And i dont know what to say to you about Oline. We need help regardless if Kalil is there. We struggled mightily when he was in there as well. We need to protect Cam and we need to give him playmakers. We put so much on this kid, it is time to take some of that burden off.

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[quote name='Gallagher' timestamp='1361672080' post='2142635']
We won games late in the season because the D-Line came on like crazy, and more importantly because we moved away from the read option and back to a more traditional pro-style offense.

We did not win more games later in the season because Chris Gamble got injured, or because of the play of our secondary.
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But with us being $11 Million over the cap, I am pretty sure Gettleman is going to cut Gamble and a few others.

This team has more important holes to fill, I just hope Dockery, Norman and Thomas can step up and fill that hole.

But DT, OL and WR are more important holes that need to be fielded 1st. These positions are more important then a CB....

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