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Did anyone honestly think we would be going into another Lame Duck year after only 3 years?

I loathe a Lame Duck coaching situation. But I think the biggest difference with RR vs. JF is JF knew he wasn't coming back and he would land as a Head Coach somewhere. This is probably RRs only shot at Head Coach, so I think this will be his most motivating year! At least that it what I hope!

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Rivera will get a job as a DC elsewhere if he can't be a HC here.

I think he is best suited to be a college coach, where he can focus on discipline and teaching young players. I have this feeling he will be the HC for CAL someday.

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I dont think it's a lame duck sitation. I think JR is legitimately giving RR another shot. That's why he found a GM that would hang on to him. The fan base can't take another lame duck season and I don't think the players would either. They are trying to win for sure.

John Fox was also a no balls candyass who never adapted and wouldn't put the best players on the field. He can suck sh!t.

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Rivera might get fired after this year if we don't have a winning record but given he still has 2 years left on his contract, he can't by definition be a lame duck coach. If the criteria for lame duck was that the coach had to win or face replacement, that would apply to most of the coaches in the league not newly hired or legends like Bellicheck .
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I really would like to see Rivera gone. I wanted a rising OC or college head coach. But that's just me.........

I mean Panthers should have been 14-2, but nooooo Rivera does not know how to coach talent. I bet if Dungy had this team in his prime, they would went to the playoffs two years in a row.......well maybe not, Just can't stand Rivera...LOL

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All he has to do is win. It\s pretty simple.

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It aint lame duck. Hes fighting for his job! Theres fire under that ass
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It sucks but it was inevitable. Too much money tied up in unproductive players. I was initially against bringing Rivera back, but after realizing we are going to be bad next year regardless of the coach I think it's smart to not force whoever our coach of the future is to start on such a bad note. Take our lumps, get the roster headed in the right direction, we will hopefully be able to give the next coach some more to work with. It sucks we are in a position where we have to think like this but hey, we've got to treat the world as it is, not as it should be.

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[quote name='Keith Moons Liver' timestamp='1364139597' post='2173723']
It sucks but it was inevitable. Too much money tied up in unproductive players. I was initially against bringing Rivera back, but after realizing we are going to be bad next year regardless of the coach I think it's smart to not force whoever our coach of the future is to start on such a bad note. Take our lumps, get the roster headed in the right direction, we will hopefully be able to give the next coach some more to work with. It sucks we are in a position where we have to think like this but hey, we've got to treat the world as it is, not as it should be.
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When do you think the Panthers will have a realistic shot at having a true playoff run? Like a Nfc Championship type of playoff run? What year will that be to you?

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[quote name='BigSyke' timestamp='1364140320' post='2173734']

When do you think the Panthers will have a realistic shot at having a true playoff run? Like a Nfc Championship type of playoff run? What year will that be to you?
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Optimistically, maybe the 2015 season. That's if we hire the right coach next year, make above average draft choices and signings, and successfully develop most of our current young talent towards their "best case" scenarios. A lot will have to go right.

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Yea, some people tries to not admit that Chico is in a "lame duck" year.

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[quote name='Keith Moons Liver' timestamp='1364139597' post='2173723']
It sucks but it was inevitable. Too much money tied up in unproductive players. I was initially against bringing Rivera back, but after realizing we are going to be bad next year regardless of the coach I think it's smart to not force whoever our coach of the future is to start on such a bad note. Take our lumps, get the roster headed in the right direction, we will hopefully be able to give the next coach some more to work with. It sucks we are in a position where we have to think like this but hey, we've got to treat the world as it is, not as it should be.
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You must be a fan of a team like the Jets and just troll here. Otherwise you clearly aren't talking about the Panthers. We didn't need to pick up a ton of players and had very few free agents to sign. Sure we don't have much money but people have easily pointed out where we could save millions if we needed it. We have the pieces to contend this year. After the draft and picks ups we will make after June 1st, we will be fine. We will contend in 2013 not years down the road barring major injuries to key players. Save your sympathy for someone else. And I will wait until we struggle before agreeing with your negative assessment. You would hope anyone who is a fan of the team would feel the same way. doom and gloom predictions in March are incredibly premature. As if you have the mindset going in before you even see what we do. Biased no matter what we do.

I prefer the half full scenario to the half empty. Optimist versus pessimist.
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[quote name='Keith Moons Liver' timestamp='1364140669' post='2173737']
Optimistically, maybe the 2015 season. That's if we hire the right coach next year, make above average draft choices and signings, and successfully develop most of our current young talent towards their "best case" scenarios. A lot will have to go right.
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Just like in 2003 after going 7-9 in 2002 in Fox's first year, we all knew where we were going to be in march of that year. Yeah sure it won't be before 2015 because we all know that we will suck in 2013 and 2014.

We have the components right now to contend. It we follow in the Giants model with Gettleman, neither year they won the Superbowl they were expected to do much. They got on a roll late and Manning got hot and the defense played well. Thee same pieces we have in place outside of DT which got shored up somewhat with Edwards and will be solidified by camp.

Proclamations such as yours are premature and therefore lack crediblility.

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Yea, some people tries to not admit that Chico is in a "lame duck" year.
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Yeah, those same people know what the terms means. Those saying it is, obviously don't.

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as everyone has explained nicely, rivera is not a lame-duck coach. i'm not sure how that term has gotten so widely misunderstood

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This isn't a lame duck year period. If Rivera fails to succeed then he will get fired it doesn't mean hes in a lame duck position. This isn't 2010

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[quote name='panthers55' timestamp='1364141166' post='2173742']
Just like in 2003 after going 7-9 in 2002 in Fox's first year, we all knew where we were going to be in march of that year. Yeah sure it won't be before 2015 because we all know that we will suck in 2013 and 2014.

We have the components right now to contend. It we follow in the Giants model with Gettleman, neither year they won the Superbowl they were expected to do much. They got on a roll late and Manning got hot and the defense played well. Thee same pieces we have in place outside of DT which got shored up somewhat with Edwards and will be solidified by camp.

Proclamations such as yours are premature and therefore lack crediblility.
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I bet you were shocked, just shocked, when we didn't win the superbowl this season. For years I've been reading absurd ravings from people like you about how we are about to break out next season, yet we have been anywhere from mediocre to bad for awhile now. It is extraordinary that someone could dismiss predictions of mediocrity- which is just par for the course as far as we are concerned- as incredible and premature while at the same time purporting far less likely scenarios as being realistic and reasonable.
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Lame duck = coach on his contract year, with no hope of being retained by his current team. Rivera is on the hotseat.

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[quote name='OneBadCat' timestamp='1364129867' post='2173638']
I dont think it's a lame duck sitation. I think JR is legitimately giving RR another shot. That's why he found a GM that would hang on to him. The fan base can't take another lame duck season and I don't think the players would either. They are trying to win for sure.

John Fox was also a no balls candyass who never adapted and wouldn't put the best players on the field. He can suck sh!t.
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We did not find a GM, we promoted someone and JR told him he was clinging on to RR and those are terms he'd have to accept. A new GM is not going to hold onto a losing coach. What for? Gettleman finally got promoted so he doesn't care right now as JR probably is not holding him liable for much this year, but make no mistake JR has his hands in everything. GO back in history and no decision for this team was made without 'consulting JR first'.

Also Fox did not adapt because that is his theory. He did not expose weaknesses or take advantage of other teams. It's not like he just didn't want to adapt or had 'no balls'. his theory waswinning individual match ups 1v1, let the best prepared that day win- Fox's players had to outplay their opponent that is why he likes his vets and was horrible at evaluating rookies/new players.

Hard to say if this is a lame duck season. We would have to know JR and co. has any faith in him, or are just keeping him for whothefugknows, dare I say $ sake. Weird they didn't bring in new coaches when we got a new GM and when Chud left and I don't think RR has more weigh in for draft players are Gettle will. Most of the fans do not have faith, that is for sure. I think the players will be playing hard but I think they have been all along, yet we lose as if it's the coaching.

In the end it's about making the playoffs. No playoffs no more RR. Make the playoffs and don;t get slaughtered and I will fully welcome RR back to finish his contract.

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What a little gem of a this thread is.

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I think it's definitely playoffs-or-bust for Rivera. Not a lame duck situation as others have stated. But as everyone knows we have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory over and over the past two seasons, and Rivera has to shoulder some of the blame.

I believe we have the QB and defensive playmakers to make a deep playoff push.

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[quote name='Lumps' timestamp='1364142106' post='2173753']
We did not find a GM, we promoted someone and JR told him he was clinging on to RR and those are terms he'd have to accept. A new GM is not going to hold onto a losing coach. What for? Gettleman finally got promoted so he doesn't care right now as JR probably is not holding him liable for much this year, but make no mistake JR has his hands in everything. GO back in history and no decision for this team was made without 'consulting JR first'.

[b]Also Fox did not adapt because that is his theory. He did not expose weaknesses or take advantage of other teams. It's not like he just didn't want to adapt or had 'no balls'. his theory waswinning individual match ups 1v1, let the best prepared that day win- Fox's players had to outplay their opponent that is why he likes his vets and was horrible at evaluating rookies/new players.[/b]

Hard to say if this is a lame duck season. We would have to know JR and co. has any faith in him, or are just keeping him for whothefugknows, dare I say $ sake. Weird they didn't bring in new coaches when we got a new GM and when Chud left and I don't think RR has more weigh in for draft players are Gettle will. Most of the fans do not have faith, that is for sure. I think the players will be playing hard but I think they have been all along, yet we lose as if it's the coaching.

In the end it's about making the playoffs. No playoffs no more RR. Make the playoffs and don;t get slaughtered and I will fully welcome RR back to finish his contract.
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Yes I understand that. But that is exactly why he sucks and why he gets outcoached. It's too much of a gamble to expect each of your players to dominate their opponent. Our offense back then put way too much pressure on the players to make crucial plays. If we didn't get 5 yards on first down we were punting. Consistent 3rd and long is not key to success. He absolutely had no balls and he still doesn't have any balls, just watch his last playoff game.

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Yeah, people really don't understand what lame duck means. If Rivera makes the playoffs, he'll be back. That's not a lame duck.

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We aren't the seahawks, but anyone who doesn't think we can compete for the playoffs is a goddamn fool.

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You know how everyone was saying John Fox would get a HC as soon as he left here. Well I don't think anyone is saying that about Riveria.

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