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I still have yet to see a good argument from a dwill fan


trust me, don't hold your breath waiting for one.

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I don't read the whole tread but I kind of agree where you coming from. But it also wouldent hurt if we ran the ball to the outside more on tosses and stretches. Running up the middle isn't there. I don't recall if we ran any draws up the middle I would of assume that would work with Williams because like you said he waits for holes and with the draw that gives a little more time for holes to open. But nevertheless the o line has some work to do or some upgradeing

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I can't ever tell when Zod is series or just throwing crazy threads out there that he knows will cause people to get emotional.

 

In any event, if you want Cam to get killed let Barner start.  I could block back there better than he did last night.  Guy has to learn how to block in the NFL before he even sniffs starting. 

 

And Deangelo rules.  I'd rather have him over any of our RB behind whomever is on the OL.

 

Yeah, but but but Barner has three runs for a better YPC average last night! Weren't you watching?  This thread is ludicrous.  The dude cannot pass block and now all of sudden it doesn't matter that he has fumbled twice in the games where apparently he has showed he is better than Deangelo.  I am now starting to understand Huddle Logic and it starts at the top!

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Rivera isn't a GM....he doesn't get to add who he wants. He barely kept his job.

He can however elect to stop running Williams so much.

Never did I say he was a GM.

On a winning team, the GM works with the HC. Unless both Gman and Rivera are too blind and can't see that we need to "FIX" the OL, not play Barner bc he's better running behind this OL then I dnno.

Anyway ima end it here. That was a terrible idea from Zod and like I said an "idea". I'm damn confident that Rivera isn't that stupid to go along with that plan. And we won't be seeing it this season.

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Honestly I am kind of encouraged by how many Huddlers get what I am saying. I knew it would go over the heads of some, but not very many. Things are looking up :)
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I'm pretty sure Zod is just a little emotional and overacting from last night performance.

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Hear me out. Our oline is so bad we should rest cam this year and start Jimmy. What happened the last time we started Jimmy? We got Cam. This year we get Clowney. Trade hardy and 2014 dare I say it. Super Bowl

 

Humoring this insanity....why do we need Clowney? You want to tank a season to get a player we have no need for? If there was an OL or receiver of his caliber I would at least see the logic behind it a tiny little bit.

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I also don't think people realize that Barner was out there for a reason.  It's preseason.

The O-line had a lot of subs and guys moving positions.  It's preseason.

 

I don't know if guys got nicked up or what but half the time I was like, "Who is that playing guard?"  Our O-line does need a lot of help but I also think that it was as bad as it was because we were looking at different guys to see if they had anything. 

 

Now, Gettleman knows they don't and he can go get some new beef.

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No one does.

Many have mentioned Hoover in the past. The thing is there's no need for a traditional blocking FB when we're playing this stupid read option poo where Cam is tying to feel the RBs hands for 3sec.


Read option or not....NFL teams don't use FBs pave the way anymore.

and the read option only runs slow with Williams....the RB who wants his run to go off the tackle rather than in between

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I'm pretty sure Zod is just a little emotional and overacting from last night performance.


Yes, my completely level headed and reasonable post backed up by numbers was quite emotional.

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Humoring this insanity....why do we need Clowney? You want to tank a season to get a player we have no need for? If there was an OL or receiver of his caliber I would at least see the logic behind it a tiny little bit.


I would take Clowney over anyone in the draft next year and probably every current Panthers' DL.

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Yeah, but but but Barner has three runs for a better YPC average last night! Weren't you watching? This thread is ludicrous. The dude cannot pass block and now all of sudden it doesn't matter that he has fumbled twice in the games where apparently he has showed he is better than Deangelo. I am now starting to understand Huddle Logic and it starts at the top!


I'm not trying to take sides because you both have valid points. But deangelo is crucial to our passing game with his blocking ability. Barner not quite there yet with blocking. I think for right not it would be good to use them for different situations

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Honestly I am kind of encouraged by how many Huddlers get what I am saying. I knew it would go over the heads of some, but not very many. Things are looking up :)

 

You knew that not very many posters would not openly disagree.  No matter what you post, there are going to be a few that are like "Yeah Zod", we are currently bowing.  Post D-LO's long hair a showing of his ties to terrorists.  Some won't even ask for a source.
 

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I also don't think people realize that Barner was out there for a reason. It's preseason.
The O-line had a lot of subs and guys moving positions. It's preseason.

I don't know if guys got nicked up or what but half the time I was like, "Who is that playing guard?" Our O-line does need a lot of help but I also think that it was as bad as it was because we were looking at different guys to see if they had anything.

Now, Gettleman knows they don't and he can go get some new beef.


I don't think they were seeing what we had at OL....Amini went down and that was simply all we got.

Gettlemen could of just watched last years OL and rush attack and realized that

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I'm not trying to take sides because you both have valid points. But deangelo is crucial to our passing game with his blocking ability. Barner not quite there yet with blocking. I think for right not it would be good to use them for different situations

 

I'm cool with that.

 

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You knew that not very many posters would not openly disagree. No matter what you post, there are going to be a few that are like "Yeah Zod", we are currently bowing. Post D-LO's long hair a showing of his ties to terrorists. Some won't even ask for a source.

Some people on here are either sucking up to Zod/Mods for reputation or are just too afraid to give a common sense opinion bc they're too scare of being banned.

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You knew that not very many posters would not openly disagree.  No matter what you post, there are going to be a few that are like "Yeah Zod", we are currently bowing.  Post D-LO's long hair a showing of his ties to terrorists.  Some won't even ask for a source.
 

 

You must be new here. Most people take great pride in disagreeing with me.

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Yes, my completely level headed and reasonable post backed up by numbers was quite emotional.

DeAngelo Williams, four carries....enough said. Barner......hurt.......enough said.

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I am worried we may not see J-Stew this season.

 

 

just saw this nugget on ESPN insider, dated yesterday just before gametime, had not seen it elsewhere (doesn't mean it hasn't been posted) 

 

 

Carolina Panthers running back Jonathan Stewart is scheduled to meet with noted foot doctor Dr. Robert Anderson next week to determine when he might be able to next play after undergoing offseason surgery on both his ankles, a team source told ESPN's Adam Schefter. The Panthers have not given up hope that Stewart could be ready for the opening game, even though he has not practiced with the team this year. But they also do not want to rush him back on the field and set him back any further, which means Stewart easily could wind up missing the first couple of games of the season. 

Still, as one source told Schefter on Thursday in regards to the chances that Stewart plays in the Panthers' regular-season opener: "The first week is going to be close." 

Since he clearly isn't 100 percent, it seems likely that even if he does return to action during the first couple of weeks, it would be in a limited role. That means that DeAngelo Williamsshould be in position to have a big statistical start to the 2013 season. Fantasy owners will want to keep in mind that Williams averaged at least 5.0 yards per carry in four of the past six seasons, and when given the chance to carry a heavy workload back in 2008, he rushed for 1,515 yards and 18 touchdowns on 273 carries. 

There is tremendous upside for Williams in new offensive coordinator Mike Shula's system, which will lean heavily on their rushing attack. His ADP has jumped from the mid-90s to 79 in the past week, and surely will continue to rise until or unless Stewart gets back in the mix. He arguably has a clearer path to success than the likes of Giovani BernardLamar MillerChris Ivory and Montee Ball, all of whom are going earlier in drafts than Williams

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Honestly I am kind of encouraged by how many Huddlers get what I am saying. I knew it would go over the heads of some, but not very many. Things are looking up :)

 

You should not have involved the names if you wanted a better football discussion. Should we tell are rbs to:

 

1. Run hard as soon as possible to at least pick up a little

2. Wait for the blocks to develop and hope for larger gains

 

You argue for 1 behind the garbage we have up front. Sure, I see you point.

 

What I do not agree with is this means Barner. It does not mean Williams either. Neither are good "yards after contact in a pile"-backs. Stu is awesome at this (probably the reason he actually made something happen last year) and Tolbert make sense as well.

 

It is kind of like asking "Should we start Manning or Flacco in a read option offense".

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Four carries is the only necessary statistic because it displays how ridiculous this thread is in two words.

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Read option or not....NFL teams don't use FBs pave the way anymore.

and the read option only runs slow with Williams....the RB who wants his run to go off the tackle rather than in between


The read option runs slow with Chud forcing Cam to hold hands with Williams/Stewart

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DeAngelo Williams, four carries....enough said. Barner......hurt.......enough said.


Williams been blown up all preseason...you jus third your team to much running him.

Was a common theme last year

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Yes, my completely level headed and reasonable post backed up by numbers was quite emotional.


actually .. if you compare numbers .. you would be hurting your argument ..

Barner has no numbers ..

either way .. DWill is going to be the starter

also, there's no "Jake Syndrome" .. which is an easy argument for the DWill naysayers to keep falling back on .. DWill is currently a better option than Barner in ANY situation regardless of fandom or emotion ..

again .. we've seen Barner partially in 3 preseason games against mostly players that will not make it in the NFL .. DWill has proven over and over he can get it done against the best

although I understand what you're saying .. I completely disagree .. at least let Barner play in 1 game that counts before he is named starter

I hope eventually he proves that in certain situations he is better than DWill .. that will mean our team overall will be better

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The read option runs slow with Chud forcing Cam to hold hands with Williams/Stewart

No one complained when Stewart was healthy in 2011....

it runs different with Wiliams. He isn't what you want if you run that consistantly.

Stewart is released for steady yards. He takes I north and south and goes forward.

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