Whats so unbelievably ironic in all of this is that its the intransigence of the pro-gun side that will ultimately lead to the repealing of the 2nd amendment. The day will come that the "Dont put me in no gubmint database!!!" and "Its perfectly reasonable to need a drum fed assault weapon for target shooting" and "RED DAWN!!!!" jackholes will be analogous to the folks who thought it was best for our nation to limit a host of rights to the white males.
Whatever the total was when the sun set on Umpqua last Thursday. As I said in the other thread I'm done defending this right. There are other ways to allow citizens to enjoy the same privilege they enjoy now. It simply needs to be something you qualify for and not something you are born with. No different than driving or CCW or FFL.
And to be clear. You are taking the stance that no number of firearm deaths could ever make you consider converting this right to a privilege? If the next Harris and Klebold manage to kill every soul in in the school and thy line up 500 coffins you're going to hold firm.
Honest question: How many bodies would it take for you to reconsider your stand? How many citizens need to die before you would consider amending the constitution to allow for gun ownership to be reduced from a right to a privilege?
https://www.google.com/search?q=isis&safe=off&biw=1920&bih=943&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0CAgQ_AUoA2oVChMItomRqoG2yAIVR0qOCh0efgBN#safe=off&tbm=isch&q=isis+terrorist Im not going to post the images here but Ill leave that google image search for anyone who wants to look. Simple search "isis terrorist" I see lots of fully automatic weapons, some rockets, grenade launchers, a tank or two, trucks with heavy (large caliber) machine guns. A long damn way from a bolt action 30-30 and grandpa's S&W .45
edit: And our military has to tip toe around the region and be sure not to kill anyone's goats. A military coup on our own soil would be much less concerned about out relations with the Kingdom or what Putin is going to do. Subsequently it would be far more swift, brutal, and indiscriminate.
I have two responses to that. First lets assume a large portion of our armed forces oppose this military state as you suggest. Then they will throw down the government with military grade gear and politely ask you to take your Ruger semi auto rife home and stay out of their way. Secondly, those thousands of rank and file soldiers who are stateside when the hammer falls will either be the first set of targets or will be rendered ineffective by being cut off from their Command and Control. Its ridiculous to think that this would be a single rouge general. The threat you are worried about is one that would take place at the highest levels of our military and would have taken into consideration this very issue and have a strategy.
Either way, your rifles, pistols, and shotguns are not part of the calculation any more than the swords owned by private citizens are.
Can we not just drop this facade of a reason? IF our government decided to impose military rule over us all of the guns in private ownership wouldn't even slow them down. Against countries with billions of dollars worth of military grade weaponry our armed forces are completely capable of bushing them aside. You think a hundred guys with Glocks and Semi-Auto .762s stand a chance against a platoon of our average GIs? Much less against any of the air based weapons/platforms they could bring to bare. If you want to hold on to the notion that we could, with civilian weapons, oust a tyrannical government then you have to say that private ownership of a blackhawk and a bunch of hellfire missiles should be ok. And for that matter I should be able to walk into Walmart and buy a Browning M2 and a few belts of ammo.
As a former member of the NRA, a registered Republican, a gun owner, a hunter, and a hobbyist...
I just cant do it any more. I cant honestly say that my "need" to have a small arsenal is anything but a way to show off my salary. The guns were expensive and the amount of ammo I go through isn't cheap. Some of you big cock Rambo types might take your .223 AR and 1911 up against a platoon of soldiers backed up with armor and air support but I cant pretend that I would. If surrendering all of my weapons except a hunting rifle and shotgun (and registering and licensing those) genuinely moved us forward to a point that these mass killings/shooting were a once a decade tragedy instead of once every few months Id do it.
So you need more than a shotgun and a rifle for what? I mean my home defense weapon of choice is my Mossburg 500 12a Mag not my Glock, my Tarus, or my Sig or even my Ruger carbine. And when it comes to hunting I never pack my handguns. Its actually funny that the things I own in the name of home and self defense are really just toys that I take to the range periodically to put 50 bucks through the chamber. I think its time we put the 2nd amendment to the ultimate test. Put it to the people. If the majority want to keep it than so be it. If on the other hand the majority believe its past its usefulness then it will go away as it should.