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  1. tonight's nazi rally

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/whos-afraid-of-free-speech/530094/?utm_source=fbia "First, much of the social pressure that critics complain about is itself speech. When activists denounce Yiannopoulos as a racist or Murray as a white nationalist, they are exercising their own right to free expression. Likewise when students hold protests or marches, launch social media campaigns, circulate petitions, boycott lectures, demand the resignation of professors and administrators, or object to the invitation of controversial speakers. Even heckling, though rude and annoying, is a form of expression. More crucially, the existence of such social pushback helps protects Americans from the even more frightening prospect of official censorship. Here’s why. Speech is a powerful weapon that can cause grave harms, and the First Amendment does not entirely prohibit the government from suppressing speech to prevent those harms. But one of the central tenets of modern First Amendment law is that the government cannot suppress speech if those harms can be thwarted by alternative means. And the alternative that judges and scholars invoke most frequently is the mechanism of counter-speech. As Justice Louis D. Brandeis wrote in his celebrated 1927 opinion in Whitney v. California, “If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence.” Counter-speech can take many forms. It can be an assertion of fact designed to rebut a speaker’s claim. It can be an expression of opinion that the speaker’s view is misguided, ignorant, offensive, or insulting. It can even be an accusation that the speaker is racist or sexist, or that the speaker’s expression constitutes an act of harassment, discrimination, or aggression. In other words, much of the social pushback that critics complain about on campus and in public life—indeed, the entire phenomenon of political correctness—can plausibly be described as counter-speech. And because counter-speech is one of the mechanisms Americans rely on as an alternative to government censorship, such pushback is not only a legitimate part of our free speech system; it is indispensable."
  2. tonight's nazi rally

    Here's an article from a pretty fair news org about left wing violence http://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/533255619/fact-check-is-left-wing-violence-rising "Still, their numbers are tiny in relation to the mainstream political left. And, say experts, it's misleading for right-wing groups to suggest that the Antifa are more violent than right-wing extremists. "The far left is very active in the United States, but it hasn't been particularly violent for some time," says Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism. He says the numbers between the groups don't compare. "In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says."
  3. tonight's nazi rally

    Here's an article on anti fascists and false equivalency https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/537048/ "As I argued in my essay, some of their tactics are genuinely troubling. They’re troubling tactically because conservatives use antifa’s violence to justify—or at least distract from—the violence of white supremacists, as Trump did in his press conference. They’re troubling strategically because they allow white supremacists to depict themselves as victims being denied the right to freely assemble. And they’re troubling morally because antifa activists really do infringe upon that right. By using violence, they reject the moral legacy of the civil-rights movement’s fight against white supremacy. And by seeking to deny racists the ability to assemble, they reject the moral legacy of the ACLU, which in 1977 went to the Supreme Court to defend the right of neo-Nazis to march through Skokie, Illinois. Antifa activists are sincere. They genuinely believe that their actions protect vulnerable people from harm. Cornel West claims they did so in Charlottesville. But for all of antifa’s supposed anti-authoritarianism, there’s something fundamentally authoritarian about its claim that its activists—who no one elected—can decide whose views are too odious to be publicly expressed. That kind of undemocratic, illegitimate power corrupts. It leads to what happened this April in Portland, Oregon, where antifa activists threatened to disrupt the city’s Rose Festival parade if people wearing “red maga hats” marched alongside the local Republican Party. Because of antifa, Republican officials in Portland claim they can’t even conduct voter registration in the city without being physically threatened or harassed. So, yes, antifa is not a figment of the conservative imagination. It’s a moral problem that liberals need to confront. But saying it’s a problem is vastly different than implying, as Trump did, that it’s a problem equal to white supremacism. Using the phrase “alt-left” suggests a moral equivalence that simply doesn’t exist."
  4. The cops will protect us. As a black person I gotta say, that really comforts me.
  5. So we know that Nazis are evil. Are we saying that antifa violence is totally unnecessary and pacifism is the way? If so, who's going to protect us from Nazis when they do their Nazi thing?
  6. One group wants Jews exterminated, thinks women and POC are inferior, holds rallies to intimidate and threaten those types of people, circulates and encourages rhetoric and online harrassment campaigns which target minorites and women, promotes facism and separationist viewpoints, think Hitler was a cool dude, runs cars into counter protesters killing people etc. The other group punches the first group in the face and counter protest at colleges cuz they won't stand for that poo. One is clearly worse than the other, Saha.
  7. tonight's nazi rally

    This kid held a press conference after a White Power rally where people got killed and hit on several alt-right Richard Spencer "respectable racism" bullet points. He literally normalized white supremacists and tried to paint them as victims. Y'all. He's not fit for office.
  8. What's sad is that the alt-right and their ilk seem to have successfully convinced everyone that antifa are "just as bad" as Nazis, so this strategy that Trump surrogates are using (painting it as a "both sides" issue) seems to be working. :/
  9. tonight's nazi rally

    The President said that people marching with Nazis are "fine people", deflected from the Nazis that beat and ran over people, and made a Freudian slip for the ages while doing it. He's indefensible. Stop trying.
  10. Sorry your heritage is racist as fug.
  11. Here's another link, on-topic http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/confederate-nehushtan/ "The problem here is one of the interpretation of symbols. One of my Southern students insists that the flag does not represent racism or slavery to him; when pushed, he suggests that if it represents such things to other people that’s their problem. In this view, the interpretation of a symbol is purely a matter of personal preference and no one has the right to criticize anyone else’s interpretation. I am afraid that I cannot accept such perspectivism. Symbols have histories; and the world we live in is historical. Whatever I or anyone else might think about the flag, it is a matter of record that it was created to serve as the symbol of an institution whose members disagreed about many things but agreed about the moral and legal acceptability of slave-holding. It is also a matter of record that today’s racists and segregationists still make regular appeals to that flag as the symbol of their cause, though less often and less publicly now than when I was a boy (which may help to explain the difference between my attitude and that of some of my students). That still-living history cannot be erased by waving the magic wand of personal interpretive preference—which, by the way, is a strange magic wand for someone to wave who seeks to represent and defend a traditional way of life."
  12. https://savingplaces.org/press-center/media-resources/national-trust-statement-on-confederate-memorials#.WZNuUYQpDgD "While some of these monuments were erected shortly after the war by grieving Southern families to honor the valor of fallen leaders and loved ones, many more were put in place for a more troubling purpose. Decades after the war, advocates of the Lost Cause erected these monuments all over the country to vindicate the Confederacy at the bar of history, erase the central issues of slavery and emancipation from our understanding of the war, and reaffirm a system of state-sanctioned white supremacy. Put simply, the erection of these Confederate memorials and enforcement of Jim Crow went hand-in-hand. They were intended as a celebration of white supremacy when they were constructed. As recent rallies in Charlottesville and elsewhere illustrate, they are still being used as symbols and rallying points for such hate today."
  13. tonight's nazi rally

    When people show you who they are, believe them.