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#37 MadHatter

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 09:48 AM

Bitino is small and will need to be moved to guard, Cyrus has knee issues and Moses can block better than Byron bell


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How many times does it have to be said that the reports were inaccurate for you idiots to get it.

 

 

Dr Andrews has come out publically several times and said the statements/reports were utterly and categorically not true. 



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Posted 30 April 2014 - 09:48 AM

Bitonio. Koundjio in 2nd behind him. Moses off in a magical land called nopesville.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 09:50 AM

Because calling people out for pulling bullshit out of their ass is being an agent. Yeah ok buddy


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 09:53 AM

Cyrus Kouandjio has the highest ceiling and played in the SEC against top defenses. 



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Posted 30 April 2014 - 10:00 AM

So you can see the future now? Or are you just pulling that straight from your ass?

He's raw but has the most upside and with our oline coach would be a franchise LT


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Knee injuries don't just disappear. Guys like TD and AP appear to be exceptions to the rule. Kouandjio, however, isn't a physical freak. In addition, he carries around a 300+ frame. Knee complexities are guaranteed with Cyrus. That's not Nostradamus talk, that's just logic.

He wasn't so raw 6-7 months ago. Regardless, being undeveloped and lacking technique isn't the issue here because he mauled slower DEs (especially in the run game). It's his hips, feet, and playing style. He's not fast or agile enough to stop LEs at the next level. Thus, Kouandjio is better suited at RT. Run-blocking is his speciality anyways. You may disagree but until he proves otherwise, clips of Cyrus being obliterated in the final stretch of 2013-14 season is evidence enough of him being considered as a RT by coaching staffs.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 10:02 AM

Knee injuries don't just disappear. Guys like TD and AP appear to be exceptions to the rule. Kouandjio, however, isn't a physical freak. In addition, he carries around a 300+ frame. Knee complexities are guaranteed with Cyrus. That's not Nostradamus talk, that's just logic.

He wasn't so raw 6-7 months ago. Regardless, being undeveloped and lacking technique isn't the issue here because he mauled slower DEs (especially in the run game). It's his hips, feet, and playing style. He's not fast or agile enough to stop LEs at the next level. Thus, Kouandjio is better suited at RT. Run-blocking is his speciality anyways. You may disagree but until he proves otherwise, clips of Cyrus being obliterated in the final stretch of 2013-14 season is evidence enough of him being considered as a RT by coaching staffs.

Please show me the "knee issues" that haven't been categorically dismissed over and over again until then you are completely talking out of your ass.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 11:20 AM

6-5, 315, 34 0/8 arms, 5.16 40, 7.92 3-cone drill, 25 bench reps
6-4, 302, 33 7/8 arms, 4.97 40, 7.37 3-cone drill, 22 bench reps
6-5, 308, 32 7/8 arms, 5.08 (unofficial) 40, 7.65 3-cone drill, 29 bench reps
6-5, 308, 33 3/8 arms, 5.07 40, 7.34 3-cone drill, 24 bench reps

Without looking, which is Joel Bitonio? Which is Jake Matthews? Which is Zack Martin? And which is Billy Turner?

At the end of the day, if Bitonio is deemed capable of filling in at LT by our staff, it's a huge plus. He's also comparable to plenty of good LTs. Our own Jordan Gross was 6'4 305. I don't get the whole size fuss and think its people just referencing paragraphs from draft sites.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 11:31 AM

The Washington Post 2014 NFL draft position preview: Tackles that came out a week ago:

"Upgrading the offensive line ranked among the Washington Redskins ’ priorities... Tackle remains high on Washington’s shopping list, and the team has hosted a number of prospects at that position for pre-draft visits.
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Many draft analysts view Auburn’s Greg Robinson, Texas A&M’s Jake Matthews, Michigan’s Taylor Lewan as the top three tackles available. Alabama’s Cyrus Kouandjio, Virginia’s Morgan Moses and Notre Dame’s Zack Martin also rank high on the list, but figure to go in the late first- to early/mid-second-round range.
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top 10 tackles:
1 Greg Robinson Auburn
2 Jake Matthews Texas A&M
3 Taylor Lewan Michigan
4 Zack Martin Notre Dame
5 Cyrus Kouandjio Alabama
6 Morgan Moses Virginia
7 JaWaun James Tennessee
8 Cameron Fleming Stanford
9 Jack Mewhort Ohio State
10 Antonio Richardson Tennessee"

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 11:32 AM

The Washington Post 2014 NFL draft position preview: Tackles that came out a week ago:

"Upgrading the offensive line ranked among the Washington Redskins ’ priorities... Tackle remains high on Washington’s shopping list, and the team has hosted a number of prospects at that position for pre-draft visits.
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Many draft analysts view Auburn’s Greg Robinson, Texas A&M’s Jake Matthews, Michigan’s Taylor Lewan as the top three tackles available. Alabama’s Cyrus Kouandjio, Virginia’s Morgan Moses and Notre Dame’s Zack Martin also rank high on the list, but figure to go in the late first- to early/mid-second-round range.
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top 10 tackles:
1 Greg Robinson Auburn
2 Jake Matthews Texas A&M
3 Taylor Lewan Michigan
4 Zack Martin Notre Dame
5 Cyrus Kouandjio Alabama
6 Morgan Moses Virginia
7 JaWaun James Tennessee
8 Cameron Fleming Stanford
9 Jack Mewhort Ohio State
10 Antonio Richardson Tennessee"

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 11:37 AM

6-5, 315, 34 0/8 arms, 5.16 40, 7.92 3-cone drill, 25 bench reps
6-4, 302, 33 7/8 arms, 4.97 40, 7.37 3-cone drill, 22 bench reps
6-5, 308, 32 7/8 arms, 5.08 (unofficial) 40, 7.65 3-cone drill, 29 bench reps
6-5, 308, 33 3/8 arms, 5.07 40, 7.34 3-cone drill, 24 bench reps

Without looking, which is Joel Bitonio? Which is Jake Matthews? Which is Zack Martin? And which is Billy Turner?

Turner

Bitonio

Martin

Matthews

 

 

As for the OP. Cyrus, best combination of athleticism, strength, and football IQ.  His awareness is great, and the run blocking angles he takes are amazing.



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Posted 30 April 2014 - 12:21 PM

this is how NFP grades the tackles:

Early 1st R - Robinson, Matthews, Lewan

Late 1st R - Kouandjio (#7 Bama/SEC)

Early 2nd R - Moses (Virginia/ACC), Richardson (Tenn/SEC), Bitonio (Nevada/Mountain West)

Late 2nd R to mid-3rd R - Mewhort (#11 Ohio State/B1G), Fleming (#10 Stanford/Pac 12)

Late 3rd R to mid 4th R - JaWuan James (Tenn/SEC), James Hurst (UNC/ACC), Justin Britt (#5 Mizzou/SEC)

Late 4th R or lower - Billy Turner, Seantrel Henderson, etc

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 02:20 PM

cyrus if healthy, but still close because moses does not have problems with speed rushers as much. 




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