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#31 Rules&Regulations

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:20 PM

Gruden somehow got me on the Derek Carr bandwagon. I think he'll end up being the best QB in this class.

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:24 PM

The guy I'd worry about busting the most is Blake Bortles. I really don't understand the hype, sure you see a 6'5" 235lbs prototype QB who put up decent numbers at UCF passing and somehow became a scrambler near the end of the year but some of the comparisons "professional" analysts are making seem to be absurd to me. My favorite comparison is to Ben Roethlisberger, Bortles has half the arm Ben has and most of those "scrambles" he got away with in college would end up with him getting speared by Suh. 

 

The best QB in the draft will be Teddy Bridgewater followed by Manziel if he gets in the right system behind a good OL and a talented WR. I hated Manziel at first when projecting him a couple months back but I believe it's less dependent on talent, which I think he has tons, and more dependent on coaching and teammate talent on offense. He's going to be a hard bust if you expect him to take control of an offense like Cam but if you let him do what he's best at, you'll get a playmaker. I think Bridgewater has been underrated due to a bad pro day. I look at his tape and to me he goes through progressions better than any other QB in the draft, fragility is my biggest worry with him.

 

Overall I think it matters less about which QB and more about the situation. 
 

 

Very reasonable assessment and I agree with you on all accounts



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Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:25 PM

Gruden somehow got me on the Derek Carr bandwagon. I think he'll end up being the best QB in this class.

Carr is horrendous when pressured

 

Folds faster than a cheap suit in a african monsoon



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Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:28 PM

Carr is horrendous when pressured

Folds faster than a cheap suit in a african monsoon


Yeah, got that Carr gene in him lol.

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:43 PM

Gruden somehow got me on the Derek Carr bandwagon. I think he'll end up being the best QB in this class.


I feel that way too. I think Bortles is going to be really, really good eventually, and that jimmy garoppolo is going to be better than bridgewater or Manziel.

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:46 PM

Yeah, got that Carr gene in him lol.

That makes him undraftable



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Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:48 PM

I feel that way too. I think Bortles is going to be really, really good eventually, and that jimmy garoppolo is going to be better than bridgewater or Manziel.

 

Smell a whole lotta bullshit in this statement

 

Carr will be garbage for the reason I have explained

 

Bortles is meh, just a "good" arm nothing great and decision making is lacking

 

Garopollo is Blaine Gabbert 2.0

 

I would take Manziel over all except MAYBE Bortles and Bridgewater is by far and away the best of the bunch



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Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:51 PM

Smell a whole lotta bullshit in this statement

Carr will be garbage for the reason I have explained

Bortles is meh, just a "good" arm nothing great and decision making is lacking

Garopollo is Blaine Gabbert 2.0

I would take Manziel over all except MAYBE Bortles and Bridgewater is by far and away the best of the bunch


lol

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#39 Rules&Regulations

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:53 PM

That makes him undraftable


Why? David got completely broken and ruined behind that oline in Houston, Derek certainly isn't that yet. At the very least, he's not in denial about his need to improve in that area. He seems like he has a good work ethic, a good head on his shoulders, and great arm talent. Tom Brady ain't so great under pressure either. All these quarterbacks have plenty of flaws.

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:55 PM

lol

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You must have missed the USC game when Carr folded like a lawn chair after a few early hits

 

Or the numerous phantom folds that seem to possess Jimmy G
 

Or even the questionable decision making on the part of Bortles

 

Granted Bortles has great pocket presence which I like, Critical for success



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Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:55 PM

You must have missed the USC game when Carr folded like a lawn chair after a few early hits

Or the numerous phantom folds that seem to possess Jimmy G

Or even the questionable decision making on the part of Bortles

Granted Bortles has great pocket presence which I like, Critical for success


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Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:56 PM

Why? David got completely broken and ruined behind that oline in Houston, Derek certainly isn't that yet. At the very least, he's not in denial about his need to improve in that area. He seems like he has a good work ethic, a good head on his shoulders, and great arm talent. Tom Brady ain't so great under pressure either. All these quarterbacks have plenty of flaws.

He is scared to death of pressure. Only completes 30.7% of his throws under pressure

 

Thats just in college, imagine the pros

 

A guy like Bridgewater is competing 70% of his throws under pressure

 

One will make bad throws and bad decisions under pressure the other will make clutch throws and clutch decisions under pressure



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Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:57 PM

Besides Cam

When was the last Heisman winning qb to do jackshit in the league?


How is that at all relevant to manziel being the best college player the year he won the heisman?


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Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:59 PM

How is that at all relevant to manziel being the best college player the year he won the heisman?


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This ajax guy is a known troll. No reason to stoop to his level.

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 08:59 PM

How is that at all relevant to manziel being the best college player the year he won the heisman?


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The Golden Calf of Bristol was the best college player the year he won the heisman

 

Your point?




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