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#46 Right Hand Arm Man

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 05:30 PM

Does Mr. Hurney have a Silly Rabbit ?



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 06:05 PM

Some teams like the Vikings and Eagles almost pay what do for 2 guys and that is for 1 guy.  I suspect if Stewart were totally healthy we would have parted ways with Williams but can't at this point.  Is it ideal? No far from it, but they are not the big drain on the cap that some people make it out to be.

 


they pay their one twice as much because they are twice as good as our two

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 06:12 PM

Even if he was "healthy" and "productive" again and by some miracle hit a 1000 yard season, he'd still be getting overpaid.



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 06:17 PM

He's gunna be our Toma's Davis on offense. Bank it.


But fug the contract.

He very well could be. It is not like he is not trying



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 06:19 PM

Even if he was "healthy" and "productive" again and by some miracle hit a 1000 yard season, he'd still be getting overpaid.

Well in case you haven't notice the OL has some impact on the productivity of a rb



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 06:23 PM

  I like Stewart and won't bash him for the upcoming year until there is reason.



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 06:51 PM

Hoping Stewie crushes faces and destroys dreams this season... just not our dreams...


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Posted 05 May 2014 - 07:04 PM

Well in case you haven't notice the OL has some impact on the productivity of a rb

 

And that's why I'd rather have studs on the OL and a no name back than any back other than Adrian Peterson and mediocre line....pretty sure everyone would make that choice though if they had the option.



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 07:28 PM

At this point I could care less if he returns to form,  Panthers are just stuck overpaying a declining RB who can't stay healthy when they should be looking for younger RB who can actually see the field and contribute.

 

Tre Mason in the 3rd Round?



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 07:37 PM

At this point I could care less if he returns to form,  Panthers are just stuck overpaying a declining RB who can't stay healthy when they should be looking for younger RB who can actually see the field and contribute.

 

Tre Mason in the 3rd Round?

 

I like Tre Mason.

 

Don't expect him to end up here, though.



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 07:53 PM

We are dedicated to running the ball, the question is better stated how effective are we at this point.  We ran the ball 483 times and Cam accounted for 111 of those meaning we ran the ball 372 times without him and if we could block better and Stewart were healthy it would likely be even more.  If we improve the o-line expect us to do it over 500 times this year.

 

I agree the RB isn't the biggest drain on the cap.  CJ is going to count about 16mil and Hardy 13.  CJ then drops to 12 and hopefully he'll stick around at a more fair contract or we free up 13mil via Hardy.  TD and Olsen aren't favorable to the cap either.  At some point I expect both will face a decision as well.  Both seem like the kind of people that might help the team out.  But if not, there's about 14mil combined in 2 players.  (rough guess without checking)

 

however, if we are paying a combined 10mil to these 2 RBs and aren't getting production anywhere near their worth without also splurging on OL, then I'd rather invest that money into the OL and depend on Gettleman to find talented RBs in later rounds..  

 

don't get me wrong, obviously we are in this situation and must deal with it going forward..    I just hope the future philosophy doesn't involve such high investments on little return (even if that return is only in the form of an average 3 year life expectancy)..



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 08:34 PM

When healthy he's a beast, no doubt Stewie causes opposing defenses lots of trouble him and DWill together causes ...



Double Trouble.


I am optimistic he will be back in top form this season. If that is the case he should take D-Will's starting spot and give the league pure hell this year.

I know it is a little wishful but he is talented enough to do it.

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 08:44 PM

they pay their one twice as much because they are twice as good as our two

Since essentially only one of our two has seen the field that is likely true.  But if Stewart does return to form that might not the case this year.  Who knows..................



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 08:47 PM

I agree the RB isn't the biggest drain on the cap.  CJ is going to count about 16mil and Hardy 13.  CJ then drops to 12 and hopefully he'll stick around at a more fair contract or we free up 13mil via Hardy.  TD and Olsen aren't favorable to the cap either.  At some point I expect both will face a decision as well.  Both seem like the kind of people that might help the team out.  But if not, there's about 14mil combined in 2 players.  (rough guess without checking)

 

however, if we are paying a combined 10mil to these 2 RBs and aren't getting production anywhere near their worth without also splurging on OL, then I'd rather invest that money into the OL and depend on Gettleman to find talented RBs in later rounds..  

 

don't get me wrong, obviously we are in this situation and must deal with it going forward..    I just hope the future philosophy doesn't involve such high investments on little return (even if that return is only in the form of an average 3 year life expectancy)..

I think you can be assured that Gettleman doesn't go hog wild paying players who don't produce.  Seems to me he doesn't want to pay players even when they do produce.



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 08:50 PM

At this point I could care less if he returns to form,  Panthers are just stuck overpaying a declining RB who can't stay healthy when they should be looking for younger RB who can actually see the field and contribute.

 

Tre Mason in the 3rd Round?

He has been hurt but is only 27 and can't be declining if he hasn't seen the field.  We don't know what he has left until we see it.  Hopefully that turns around this year.  Maybe it will be the next feel good story like Davis was in 2013.




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