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UNC Academic Scandal

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Do you realize that Cal is probably under the biggest microscope in the NCAA? I don't understand why that bothers you being called cheaters because they are right. Kentucky is innocent until proven guilty with evidence (such as Unc's).

And it's narrow minded for people to expect these kids to live up to academic standards? These kids AGREED to these standards when they signed, they are being given the opportunity to utilize resources they would have never been exposed too, especially because the vast majority of them will not go pro.

I don't agree with the current system, but if you are a player within the system you obviously have to hold your end of the bargain to be eligible.

 

I don't realize that and you have absolutely no evidence that would convince me, either. Has Cal EVER been in trouble? I mean, I know Memphis and UMASS had to vacate games once he left, but what trouble has Cal ever been in? 

 

It's just absolutely hilarious when UK fans accuse UNC of cheating. Cal is a likeable guy - but he is dirty and YOU KNOW IT. 

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Do you realize that Cal is probably under the biggest microscope in the NCAA? I don't understand why that bothers you being called cheaters because they are right. Kentucky is innocent until proven guilty with evidence (such as Unc's).

And it's narrow minded for people to expect these kids to live up to academic standards? These kids AGREED to these standards when they signed, they are being given the opportunity to utilize resources they would have never been exposed too, especially because the vast majority of them will not go pro.

I don't agree with the current system, but if you are a player within the system you obviously have to hold your end of the bargain to be eligible.

 

Something else to consider with your asinine statement regarding Cal being in trouble...Has Saban, Pete Carroll, Jimbo, Petrino, Urban Meyer, etc - the elite college coaches (check out the shenanigans that went down at USC under Pete Carroll)...have they ever been in trouble? The school they were at MAY have been in trouble, but is there any personal accountability?

 

There's evidence on all of these guys on being complete shitbag coaches. Using school facilities/money to bang your personal assistant, money being passed around between potential pros and scouts, having to vacate Heisman trophies, players being picked up by police...only to be dropped off safe and sound at their dorms. Look at the crime ring Urban Meyer was running at UF. 

 

If you think Cal is clean - you are a Kentucky fan. PERIOD. 

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please correct me if I am wrong - but isn't this the second time Jim Boeheim has had to sit out a year due to NCAA academic violations? why does he get a pass? 

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Your comment about Kentucky is stupid and irrelevant. That's all I'lll say about that.

But winning by 11 on the road when your best player doesn't score until like 7 mins into the 2h is not a sturggle. They were doing whatever they wanted to down low. Frankly, I don't care if UNC wins by 1 or 100. Just win!

You should know that playing on the road in the ACC is tough man especially for duke and unc. they are gonna get a lot of the lower teams like BC's best game at home.... duke struggled with GT a few days ago in Cameron and if that game was in Atlanta it might have been a different story.

Oh well glad we won and I was glad that my buddies who were in Durham today had a good time. Was both of their first games.

Mr I didn't watch the game but I'll comment that it was 8 on 5. Duke would have without question beat Kentucky today. They coasted after halftime and won by thirty against the tenth ranked team in the country.

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Lol at the argument of lumping Cal with those guys therefore he's just as bad.

Also you don't remember Roy putting kansas on probation then leaving?

Unc is not in a position of power at the moment and can definitely not point fingers. I went to UNC, I'm not just going to blindly support them no matter what just because, I don't care if you fail to recognize the fact that foul play occurred at UNC.

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Mr I didn't watch the game but I'll comment that it was 8 on 5. Duke would have without question beat Kentucky today. They coasted after halftime and won by thirty against the tenth ranked team in the country.

 

I have seen enough dookie basketball in my life to know the type of bullshit officiating that goes on in Cameron. Carolina benefits from a questionable call every now and then, but Mike could walk out with a team of 50 year old men that play YMCA ball and still be at the line 30 times a game. 

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Lol at the argument of lumping Cal with those guys therefore he's just as bad.

Also you don't remember Roy putting kansas on probation then leaving?

Unc is not in a position of power at the moment and can definitely not point fingers. I went to UNC, I'm not just going to blindly support them no matter what just because, I don't care if you fail to recognize the fact that foul play occurred at UNC.

 

No postseason bans. That's all that matter and that's all that anyone cares about. 

 

And I don't see UNC (the institution not a drunk fan on a message board) pointing fingers at anyone. They've probably done more than they should to accommodate the NCAA.

 

 

Go put your kentucky jersey on. 

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Lol at the argument of lumping Cal with those guys therefore he's just as bad.

Also you don't remember Roy putting kansas on probation then leaving?

Unc is not in a position of power at the moment and can definitely not point fingers. I went to UNC, I'm not just going to blindly support them no matter what just because, I don't care if you fail to recognize the fact that foul play occurred at UNC.

 

Yeah I probably shouldn't have lumped Cal with any of those coaches. Not fair to THEM. Aside from Mr. Throw the ball on the 1yard line of the Super Bowl; I don't think any of the coaches I mentioned EXCEPT Calipari have had to vacate final fours and wins. Oops!

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Got me.

And people DO care about reputation outside of post season bans. You don't think recruits are nervous or shying away with all this hanging over UNC? Keep dreaming.

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Lol at the argument of lumping Cal with those guys therefore he's just as bad.

Also you don't remember Roy putting kansas on probation then leaving?

Unc is not in a position of power at the moment and can definitely not point fingers. I went to UNC, I'm not just going to blindly support them no matter what just because, I don't care if you fail to recognize the fact that foul play occurred at UNC.

 No ,refresh our memory on the probation Roy left Kansas.

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I'll post this here since this is basically the basketball thread - ESPN reporting UVA G Justin Anderson out 4-6 weeks. Huge blow and that should make the rest of the ACC very interesting.

RIP Coach Smith.

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Unc should be very interested in the punishment that is handed down by the NCAA to Cuse. Any reasonable person would assume unc's punishment would at least be the same if not worse.

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Okay, this is long and I go off on some tangents but I bring it back together in the end for any that is interested.

 

Academic fraud happens in some way, shape, or form at all universities with major college athletics.  That is not to excuse UNC, or any others, but it is just a fact.  Blaming the kids for not taking advantage of their opportunity, or the school for pushing and sometimes passing the line to keep their players eligible ignores bigger problems.

 

The fact of the matter is that many of these kids do not have the ability to take advantage of this opportunity.  Many like to simply blame the kids for this, and sometimes they are to blame, but the fact is that it is largely our fault as a society.  Simply put, our education system is pathetic.  On the one side you have the unions, whose purpose is to serve and protect teachers.  The longest tenured ones, not the best, are the ones that are the most protected.  On the other side you have the administrations, where their sole concern is the bottom line.  In the middle you have the politicians, many of whom have not worked with kids a day in their life telling the teachers and districts what and how to teach and treating each child like some sort of identical robot that learns the same way at the same pace.

 

Through all of this, the one group of people that the system is designed to serve gets ignored.  Preparing the kids for college and their future lives is secondary to how well they can take a test.  If a child is not ready for the next grade they are often given a social promotion, because who cares if they are ready for the rest of their lives as long as they do not feel inadequate when compared to their peers, right?  I taught fifth grade for three years and often had kids come to me with a first and second grade reading level.  I was expected to teach them fifth grade Science, Social Studies, etc. from a book that was written on a fifth grade level.  How can they be expected to learn that?  This says nothing about their trying to keep up in reading.  But they keep getting promoted because people refuse to accept that some learn slower that others.

 

This brings me back to the colleges.  Many of these kids have been failed by a broken education system and are not even close to the point where they can be expected to take advantage of their opportunity.  Yet we tell them that if they cannot do what for many is impossible they cannot play football/basketball.  They are blessed with this talent yet we tell them that they cannot take advantage of it unless they do a job that we have failed to prepare them for.  There really is no other realistic option for them.

 

The fact is that one of two things needs to happen.  The first option is that we can completely revamp the NCAA for football and basketball.  They should not be the big money machines that they are.  Model the sports after baseball where their is a legitimate minor league system for those that are the most talented and/or those for whom college is simply not for them.  On the college side of things this route should be reserved for those that actually want to be student athletes.  I read an article a few months ago about the MIT football team.  They are only allowed to practice from 5pm-7pm, the rest of the time is for them to be students.  This should be mandated across the board.  If you want to be a student first, go to college, if you want to be an athlete first, go to the minors.

 

The other option is that we keep everything the same and we admit that some of these kids are not college material.  This requires that we give up on making sure they are "academically eligible," and then blowing a gasket when they cheat because they have no other options if they want to keep pursuing their natural talents.

 

Yes, I am a UNC fan, but I have felt this way before and I will again, regardless of the university.  People make billions of dollars on these kids and they are appalled when they want a piece.  The kids are set up to fail academically and society is stunned when they cheat.  For many of them, athletics is the one thing they are truly successful at, and it is wrong to tell them they cannot pursue it.

 

It is time to either give them other options to pursue and develop their talent or start properly preparing them for college and financially compensating them fairly.  Until then they can take whatever "improper benefits" they want, fail whatever classes they wish, and do whatever they can to stay academically eligible.  As long as they are not involved in criminal activity where there are actual victims then I do not give a crap and I want them on the field/court.

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