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#31 bigcatdaddy

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Posted 06 June 2014 - 11:08 AM

I don't disagree. Guess we'll see....

 

And just when the ride seemed to be slowing down it takes right back off. We should call this "BigCatDaddy-O'winds" since this stuff makes his days so much better. 

It doesn't make my day that much better, it just solidifies what I have been saying and unc fans keep trying to deny.  Celling is all over it, the transcript shows without these fake classes that McCants took he would have been ineligible.  I don't know that if you could ever prove beyond a reasonable doubt that roy had grades changed or not but the transcript is a damaging piece of evidence.   



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Posted 06 June 2014 - 11:15 AM

My only two thoughts on this...

 

1. The last time McCants was in the news, it was for starring in a web-series where he played a cross-dressing thief/prostitute with old porn stars as his co-stars. Dude is certifiably insane.

 

2. It's clear the scandal was for both football and basketball. I know I'm some internet guy, but I've heard firsthand from cheerleaders/friends who took classes with players dating back to McCants/May/Felton who knew they got special treatment. My friends benefited from it too. "Study guides" being given to players were actual tests with the answers. The classes taught by Nyang'Oro and others in the AFAM department were bogus. Whatever, it happens at every school I'm sure. But, UNC got caught. Just admit it, throw some more bans in there to appease everyone, and move on. 



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Posted 06 June 2014 - 11:25 AM

It doesn't make my day that much better, it just solidifies what I have been saying and unc fans keep trying to deny.  Celling is all over it, the transcript shows without these fake classes that McCants took he would have been ineligible.  I don't know that if you could ever prove beyond a reasonable doubt that roy had grades changed or not but the transcript is a damaging piece of evidence.   

 

 

Come on man, you rushed to the Huddle to be the one to post the story and you responded to my tweets immediately. We know you love this stuff - it's not a knock.

 

Again....McCants' story doesn't solidify anything. He's a lunatic. 

 

Hasn't it already been proven that the AA studies classes were paper classes? I'm sure if the NCAA went back through all the players from football and basketball and removed those classes McCants wouldn't be the only one who was ineligible. Why haven't they done that already if they were going to? 



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Posted 06 June 2014 - 11:33 AM

http://collegespun.c...hat-rashad-said



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Posted 06 June 2014 - 11:41 AM

Come on man, you rushed to the Huddle to be the one to post the story and you responded to my tweets immediately. We know you love this stuff - it's not a knock.

 

Again....McCants' story doesn't solidify anything. He's a lunatic. 

 

Hasn't it already been proven that the AA studies classes were paper classes? I'm sure if the NCAA went back through all the players from football and basketball and removed those classes McCants wouldn't be the only one who was ineligible. Why haven't they done that already if they were going to? 

It's not him so much as the transcript.  

 

Not all of them where paper classes from what I understand and up to this point it was only football players that had owned up to it which is one of the reasons the football team was punished.  



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Posted 06 June 2014 - 11:46 AM

It's not him so much as the transcript.  

 

Not all of them where paper classes from what I understand and up to this point it was only football players that had owned up to it which is one of the reasons the football team was punished.  

 

Like I said....I don't disagree that the transcript is trouble. 

 

But here's my thought....serious question....

 

It's a fact that they have deemed at least some of the AA studies classes paper classes. At the very least the ones that were taught by what's his name. Once this decision was made why would the NCAA not go back and cross-reference these classes with all athletes in every sport to determine if there were ineligibility issues? Shouldn't that have been the first thing they did after determining they were paper classes? The transcript was always there for them to find. It's not new news. 



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Posted 06 June 2014 - 11:49 AM

I'm pretty sure everyone knew that football and basketball players (as well as athletes in other sports) took these paper classes.  The NCAA never punished the school for it though because some non-athletes took the classes too.

 

Football team only got punished for the connections to agents, so I'm not seeing anything new here.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong bigcatdaddy, I know you've been masturbating to following this story very closely the last few years



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Posted 06 June 2014 - 11:49 AM

Does it worry you how little roy seems to know about players on his team?  He didn't know about these fake classes that his player/s was/were taking, he didn't know PJ was driving around luxury rental cars, he didn't know Mcdonald was driving around rental cars, he didn't know his players were hanging out with a felon who were drug dealer and helping him promote parties, and he didn't know Mcdonald and PJ were wearing custom $1000 mouth guards not provided by the team.  Now do we believe that roy is this dumb/naive?



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Posted 06 June 2014 - 11:51 AM

Does it worry you how little roy seems to know about players on his team?  He didn't know about these fake classes that his player/s was/were taking, he didn't know PJ was driving around luxury rental cars, he didn't know Mcdonald was driving around rental cars, he didn't know his players were hanging out with a felon who were drug dealer and helping him promote parties, and he didn't know Mcdonald and PJ were wearing custom $1000 mouth guards not provided by the team.  Now do we believe that roy is this dumb/naive?

 

 

So you're saying he did know and just said "you boys be careful out there and try not to get caught". 



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Posted 06 June 2014 - 11:53 AM

How many different players have come forward from how many different generations of the team now? It's not like all these guys came from one team- it's spread out over many years.

Guy was the second leading scorer on your national championship team and now that's done and he no longer plays works for UNC, all their fans want to dismiss him as meaningless and vengeful. Talk about a childish ostrich syndrome...


Go check out what he said about Roy and UNC and you'll understand why.

He told recruits not to sign with Carolina because he claimed that Roy Williams ruined his career.

Yeah.... silly UNC fans for disliking him for non reason.

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Posted 06 June 2014 - 11:55 AM

I'm pretty sure everyone knew that football and basketball players (as well as athletes in other sports) took these paper classes.  The NCAA never punished the school for it though because some non-athletes took the classes too.

 

Football team only got punished for the connections to agents, so I'm not seeing anything new here.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong bigcatdaddy, I know you've been masturbating to following this story very closely the last few years

Well the football team was punished partly for academic fraud, that's where Jennifer Wiley comes into the picture.



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Posted 06 June 2014 - 11:57 AM

So you're saying he did know and just said "you boys be careful out there and try not to get caught". 

I am asking you what you think?  Is roy clueless or did he know?  



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Posted 06 June 2014 - 12:03 PM

I am asking you what you think?  Is roy clueless or did he know?  

 

 

I have no idea. Did Pete Carroll know? Did Nick Saban know? These aren't isolated incidents. 

 

Edit: I do know that I trust Roy's word much more than Rashad freaking McCants'


Edited by RoaringRiot, 06 June 2014 - 12:08 PM.


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Posted 06 June 2014 - 12:06 PM

Well the football team was punished partly for academic fraud, that's where Jennifer Wiley comes into the picture.

 

Got a link to that? Genuinely curious.

 

I think Roy probably did what most people do in that situation, turn a blind eye and dont go digging into the matter



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Posted 06 June 2014 - 12:08 PM

I have no idea. Did Pete Carroll know? Did Nick Saban know? These aren't isolated incidents. 

Of course they did.  You can't be some of the most successful coaches ever and be idiots that have no idea of what's going on.




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