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#46 Rise of The Hive

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 10:49 PM

I wouldn't trade the #9 for him, maybe 24 with a gun to my head.



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Posted 21 June 2014 - 02:44 AM

The love for Barnes is comical. Not only did he admit how fragile his mind set is when they brought in Iggy and he completely fell apart. He also only avg. 1.6 more points a game over his career then MKG (who can't shoot). Add in the fact he is horrible defensive player (the reason they brought in Iggy). I don't understand the love affair.
Then putting him at SG is even more of a joke.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 06:16 AM

The love for interest in Barnes is comical. Not only did he admit how fragile his mind set is when they brought in Iggy and he completely fell apart. He also only avg. 1.6 more points a game over his career then MKG (who can't shoot). Add in the fact my belief that he is a horrible defensive player (the reason they brought in Iggy). I don't understand much the love affair.
Then putting him at SG is even more of a joke, I just can't see it

 

Corrected.

 

At least you're honest. Since I'm not going to repeat myself... http://www.carolinah...mors/?p=2819440

 

Barnes is not a "horrible defensive player." He has been good enough on that end of the court. "Horrible" is hyperbole. They brought in Iguodala because they didn't know what they were doing. Barnes had just outplayed Iguodala in the Denver/Golden State series. They brought him in based on history, and they considered him a star already. It was a dumb move, and the season showed it, as he also underperformed. 


Edited by ThinkAboutIt, 21 June 2014 - 06:33 AM.


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Posted 21 June 2014 - 06:37 AM

Corrected.

At least you're honest. Since I'm not going to repeat myself... http://www.carolinah...mors/?p=2819440

Barnes is not a "horrible defensive player." He has been good enough on that end of the court. "Horrible" is hyperbole. They brought in Iguodala because they didn't know what they were doing. Barnes had just outplayed Iguodala in the Denver/Golden State series. They brought him in based on history, and they considered him a star already. It was a dumb move, and the season showed it, as he also underperformed.



No they brought in Iggy because between Curry, Thompson and Barnes you had one of the worst peremeriter defending teams in league. None of them can stop dribble penetration to save their lives or 1on 1 defense. So they brought in Iggy to help with that. Plus Iggy can run a offense. Which let GS run their offense thru him giving Curry and Thompson a chance to run thru screen and set up for quick 3's on fast breaks.
Barnes has never been known as a good ball handler or facilitator. Bringing IGgy was a good idea. It just didn't work in the execution. It should work out better this year.
Barnes was still getting good minutes and shouldn't have fell on his face.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 06:59 AM

Harrison Barnes is not worth the #9 pick. The guy played well in last years playoffs, well who cares. He was not very good in the regular season last, not very good in the regular season this year, nor was he good in this year's playoffs. There is a much bigger sample size of him being a bench player talent. There is a lot of dislike for Henderson around here, including myself, but he is a better overall player than Barnes. Look at numbers from this past season, Henderson shot the ball as well as Barnes including the 3 ball. Barnes had one good stretch in last years playoffs, check Henderson has good stretches too. Barnes would never start over Henderson or MAG because if he did, then it weakens the team.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 07:19 AM

This board would explode with negativity if the Hornets were to draft Rodney Hood with the 9th pick, yet some of those same people would trade the pick for Barnes? Hood will be a much better player than Barnes, because EVERY part of his is better than Barnes.

I want to add, I would not pick Hood

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 07:55 AM

No they brought in Iggy because between Curry, Thompson and Barnes you had one of the worst peremeriter defending teams in league. None of them can stop dribble penetration to save their lives or 1on 1 defense. So they brought in Iggy to help with that. Plus Iggy can run a offense. Which let GS run their offense thru him giving Curry and Thompson a chance to run thru screen and set up for quick 3's on fast breaks.
Barnes has never been known as a good ball handler or facilitator. Bringing IGgy was a good idea. It just didn't work in the execution. It should work out better this year.
Barnes was still getting good minutes and shouldn't have fell on his face.

I agree with everything you said except for Thompson being a bad defender. He is pretty good, he kept Chris Paul pretty handled in the Clippers series.



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Posted 21 June 2014 - 08:26 AM

This board would explode with negativity if the Hornets were to draft Rodney Hood with the 9th pick, yet some of those same people would trade the pick for Barnes? Hood will be a much better player than Barnes, because EVERY part of his is better than Barnes.

I want to add, I would not pick Hood


I wouldn't mind Hood at all at 9. MJ may just pull another Duke player.

But, Barnes >>>> Hood

#54 ThinkAboutIt

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 10:03 AM

Harrison Barnes is not worth the #9 pick...

 

Apparently you all aren't talking to me, because I have consistently said #24. Literally, every time! 


Edited by ThinkAboutIt, 21 June 2014 - 03:38 PM.


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Posted 21 June 2014 - 10:11 AM

I will agree to disagree then, because I think Hood is the better shooter with a better offensive game, better defensively, and has the better mentality to play the game and be good. Barnes has been built up at every level because he has potential, but something is missing. I think Hood was the best player on the floor for Duke many times last year, and that includes the possible number 1 pick. And know I am not saying he is better than Parker.

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 10:14 AM

You guys are undervaluing the 9th pick



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Posted 21 June 2014 - 10:35 AM

Delete 

 


Edited by ThinkAboutIt, 21 June 2014 - 10:36 AM.


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Posted 21 June 2014 - 10:36 AM

No they brought in Iggy because between Curry, Thompson and Barnes you had one of the worst peremeriter defending teams in league. None of them can stop dribble penetration to save their lives or 1on 1 defense. So they brought in Iggy to help with that. Plus Iggy can run a offense. Which let GS run their offense thru him giving Curry and Thompson a chance to run thru screen and set up for quick 3's on fast breaks.
Barnes has never been known as a good ball handler or facilitator. Bringing IGgy was a good idea. It just didn't work in the execution. It should work out better this year.
Barnes was still getting good minutes and shouldn't have fell on his face.

Iguodala was considered an all-purpose, complete player, who yes, could defend well, but Barnes was constantly being praised for his defense after his rookie season, so to suggest that that is the reason Iguodala was brought in is ridiculous. 

 

He was brought in because he was a 2012 Olympic gold medalist and NBA All-Star. They thought he would help them win "now," after they got close, and they were wrong.

 

Wing defense wasn't why they lost. Neither was the SF position. Barnes outperformed his regular season in the 2013 Playoffs, while Klay Thompson fell off in his production. They lost because you will have a tough time winning an NBA title with a backcourt like Curry and Thompson that has to make shots to win (like Stockton and Hornacek) if those two guys are considered go to players on your team. You need to "out-athlete" other teams at that point (most recent champs), or overwhelm them with bodies (Dallas and San Antonio). Replacing Barnes with Iguodala wasn't the solution. Had they replaced Thompson in the starting lineup with Iguodala and developed that over the course of the season, they would've had a more legitimate wing rotation come playoff time, but they weren't going to do that because Klay has "earned" his minutes. It failed because no matter how good Curry and Thompson are as individual players, you're not winning it all if your team is built around a PG/SG combo like that.

 

I repeat (because people are hard of understanding): You can win it all with a PG/SG combo like that, but not if your team is built around it. Shooters can't be your go to players unless they have other assets, like a "Dirk" who is a mismatch problem. 

 

Barnes wasn't the problem. Building your team around two shooters who aren't regarded as superior athletes was their problem (even though Thompson is a respectable athlete), along with trying to depend on brittle big men like Lee and Bogut. That's why Golden State didn't know what they were doing, and it's exactly why Wojnarowski is right (audio) when he says Barnes was misused last year.


Edited by ThinkAboutIt, 21 June 2014 - 10:52 AM.


#59 ThinkAboutIt

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 10:47 AM

You guys are undervaluing the 9th pick

 

The players projected around #9 this year are overvalued, but I agree. 



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Posted 21 June 2014 - 10:54 AM

Report: Bulls in talks to trade for Arron Afflalo from Orlando


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