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#37 cookinwithgas

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 10:31 AM

Time to face facts my
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Posted 17 June 2014 - 10:34 AM

Time to face facts my
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#39 Zaximus

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 12:27 PM

you have Dems that claim making everyone have an ID is racist (even giving a free one to anyone who can't afford one)

 

Sad part is that the avg Democrat is as ignorant as you.

 

Gotta love the Dem party....the party of the uneducated, lazy, and those just looking to game the system.

 

 

Just like they say......People under 30 vote Dem to try and show they are not heartless.  While, people over 30 vote Republican to show that they are not brainless.

 

Before I get to the thread, I have to say something.  First, I'm more independent, but some of your comments make no sense.   You say democrats are uneducated, yet the majority of republican voters are in the "red states" which are vastly WAY more uneducated than the blue states.  This is factual and just requires a google search.  You also say they are lazy, but once again the group of people that use up the most government funding and welfare are once again, the red states.  This is why it is always VERY ironic when poor/uneducated people in the red states vote for a party that pretty much hates them and/or thinks they are just lazy leeches.   Third, and this actually relates to the thread itself, you bring up "gaming the system" but I'm pretty sure white collar crime/fraud and tax evasion from the wealthiest people trump any "Obamacame" or welfare fraud by millions, maybe billions.  Once again, most of those people vote republican.

 

So really republicans are actually more uneducated, leech more of the system, and most likely cost the Gov more money in fraud than democrats.  There are definitely some people from both parties that match that, but on the whole, it's obvious republicans match your insults more regularly than democrats.



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Posted 17 June 2014 - 01:29 PM

Before I get to the thread, I have to say something.  First, I'm more independent, but some of your comments make no sense.   You say democrats are uneducated, yet the majority of republican voters are in the "red states" which are vastly WAY more uneducated than the blue states.  This is factual and just requires a google search.  You also say they are lazy, but once again the group of people that use up the most government funding and welfare are once again, the red states.  This is why it is always VERY ironic when poor/uneducated people in the red states vote for a party that pretty much hates them and/or thinks they are just lazy leeches.   Third, and this actually relates to the thread itself, you bring up "gaming the system" but I'm pretty sure white collar crime/fraud and tax evasion from the wealthiest people trump any "Obamacame" or welfare fraud by millions, maybe billions.  Once again, most of those people vote republican.

 

So really republicans are actually more uneducated, leech more of the system, and most likely cost the Gov more money in fraud than democrats.  There are definitely some people from both parties that match that, but on the whole, it's obvious republicans match your insults more regularly than democrats.

 

The Democratic Party philosophy is to buy votes by promising people gov't handouts....plain and simple.



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Posted 17 June 2014 - 02:23 PM

Yes, everything has fraud.

 

The difference is the government is playing with our money and companies are playing with their own.

 

nope



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Posted 17 June 2014 - 03:48 PM

nope

yep


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Posted 17 June 2014 - 05:14 PM

MCP is right

 

they already got their money from us in regards to tax breaks we pay for, taxes that pay the politicians they bribe, minimum wages that we subsidize with food stamps etc. so sure it's a completely different ball game


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Posted 17 June 2014 - 05:15 PM

More reasons for a third party.

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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:25 AM

The Democratic Party philosophy is to buy votes by promising people gov't handouts....plain and simple.

 

How is this possible when the "blue" states are more educated and take less handouts than the red states?  They keep buying votes with promises to red state people that won't even vote for them in the first place?  It's pretty obvious that republicans take more handouts than anyone in the USA, going by the "red" state evidence.   Democrats might fight harder for things like welfare, but ironically it is usually for people that are voting republican in the southern states.   So you admit that, in your mind, democrats vote for handouts, but yet a huge chunk of republican voter base are the ones actually USING them?  Wouldn't a good chunk of voters in BOTH parties be at fault, can you admit that?  And if republican voters keep voting for people that hate programs they use fully, wouldn't THEY technically be MUCH dumber than democrat voters, since they are voting against people that want to help them?  So for the evidence presented:  A) Republicans are way more uneducated than democrats, going by red state/blue state statistics, and B ) Republicans consistently vote AGAINST politicians that are pushing programs that directly HELP the majority of their voter base?  Going by these two pieces of evidence, clearly, republicans are way more ignorant and dumb than the democratic party, as a whole.

 

But I'll say that yeah, the democratic party probably does sale promises, but can YOU admit that the republican party buys votes using fear, chain letters, attack ads, their voter base's lack of intelligence, and continually lying to their voter base that they give a damn about them when in seriousness if they aren't in the top 10% of wealthy people in the USA they really don't?

 

It's time to start pointing fingers at both of these parties.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:47 AM

Before I get to the thread, I have to say something.  First, I'm more independent, but some of your comments make no sense.   You say democrats are uneducated, yet the majority of republican voters are in the "red states" which are vastly WAY more uneducated than the blue states.  This is factual and just requires a google search.  You also say they are lazy, but once again the group of people that use up the most government funding and welfare are once again, the red states.  This is why it is always VERY ironic when poor/uneducated people in the red states vote for a party that pretty much hates them and/or thinks they are just lazy leeches.   Third, and this actually relates to the thread itself, you bring up "gaming the system" but I'm pretty sure white collar crime/fraud and tax evasion from the wealthiest people trump any "Obamacame" or welfare fraud by millions, maybe billions.  Once again, most of those people vote republican.

 

So really republicans are actually more uneducated, leech more of the system, and most likely cost the Gov more money in fraud than democrats.  There are definitely some people from both parties that match that, but on the whole, it's obvious republicans match your insults more regularly than democrats.

 

Red states vs blue is irrelevant.  You have to break it down by population, not by state.  If you look at exit polls from the last 20 years or so, Republicans have generally won among those with High School diplomas or 4 year college degrees.  Democrats have won among High School drop outs or those with Masters or Doctorates.  For example, in 2004 Bush got 52% of the vote from those with 4 year degrees.  In 2012, Romney got 51% of 4 year graduates, while he only got 42% of the vote from those with 6 year or greater degrees, and less than 40% of high school dropouts.  In the off year elections, the differences are even more pronounced.  So basically democrats win significantly among the least and most educated, while the republicans win among those that are more in the middle, albeit with closer margins.

 

And your comments regarding federal funding have been used before, and have been found to be misleading.  The red states tend to get more federal funding in large part because that is where a significant number of federal projects, military bases, national parks etc... are.  For example, I think North Dakota gets the most per capita federal funding, due to military bases, national parks etc...  I guess we could put all those nuclear missiles in New York city though.  :)

 

 


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:52 AM

Red states vs blue is irrelevant.  You have to break it down by population, not by state.  If you look at exit polls from the last 20 years or so, Republicans have generally won among those with High School diplomas or 4 year college degrees.  Democrats have won among High School drop outs or those with Masters or Doctorates.  For example, in 2004 Bush got 52% of the vote from those with 4 year degrees.  In 2012, Romney got 51% of 4 year graduates, while he only got 42% of the vote from those with 6 year or greater degrees, and less than 40% of high school dropouts.  So basically democrats win significantly among the least and most educated, while the republicans win among those that are more in the middle, albeit with closer margins.

 

And your comments regarding federal funding have been used before, and have been found to be misleading.  The red states tend to get more federal funding in large part because that is where a significant number of federal projects, military bases, national parks etc... are.  For example, I think North Dakota gets the most per capita federal funding, due to military bases, national parks etc...  I guess we could put all those nuclear missiles in New York city though.  :)

 

I'm just generalizing like Mathatter does.  And I'm really talking about things like welfare, where people in red states are definitely more poor and are getting more help.  



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 11:03 AM

I'm just generalizing like Mathatter does.  And I'm really talking about things like welfare, where people in red states are definitely more poor and are getting more help.  

 

From the numbers I have seen, welfare only is split relatively evenly among red and blue states.  This particular site list case loads, not actual welfare numbers, but the top recipients are fairly evenly split among red and blue, with a couple of districts and territories listed. But if you have something that directly references welfare money spent per capita, I would be interested to see it.

 

Rank       States      Amount
# 1         District of Columbia:     7.835 per 100 people      
# 2         Guam:     6.397 per 100 people      
# 3         Rhode Island:     3.319 per 100 people      
# 4         Tennessee:     3.026 per 100 people      
# 5         California:     3.005 per 100 people      
# 6         Maine:     2.842 per 100 people      
# 7         Alaska:     2.4 per 100 people      
# 8         West Virginia:     2.283 per 100 people      
# 9         Indiana:     2.241 per 100 people      
# 10         Washington:     2.238 per 100 people      
# 11         New Mexico:     2.23 per 100 people      
# 12         Vermont:     2.044 per 100 people