Jump to content


Photo
* * * * * 1 votes

Ahhh, Yeah, The Old Chip On The Shoulder, D. Newton Reports


  • Please log in to reply
45 replies to this topic

#16 TheRumGone

TheRumGone

    mountain man

  • ALL-PRO
  • 9,895 posts
  • LocationAsheville, NC

Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:41 AM

Sure, but then you would need to do the exact same thing for every other team as well.

My hunch is that if you take all the important stats for every team and came up with an overall offensive production ranking, the Panthers would be in the bottom third of the league.

With a QB like Cam Newton on the team, that is not acceptable.


I don't think we'd be in the bottom third because we are ranked in the top five and top ten of the categories I listed like 3rd/4th down, efficiency per drive, ect.

#17 Peppers90 NC

Peppers90 NC

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,086 posts

Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:42 AM

Don't you think you should take everything into consideration? Like points, efficiency, 3rd down, 4th down ect.

We needed more big impact plays for sure but taking all of it into account gives a better picture of our offense last year. We weren't very good but we were not in the top 5 worst offenses

28th in yards, but we had a good defense that gave us solid field position throughout the year that made scoring easier by having to get far less yards.  I dont like using yards only to determine how good an offense was, but it certainly has to be considered.



#18 fieryprophet

fieryprophet

    WARNING: Do not annoy!

  • ALL-PRO
  • 5,317 posts
  • LocationLa Grange, NC

Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:44 AM

Sure, but then you would need to do the exact same thing for every other team as well.

My hunch is that if you take all the important stats for every team and came up with an overall offensive production ranking, the Panthers would be in the bottom third of the league.

With a QB like Cam Newton on the team, that is not acceptable.


I am Cam defender #1 but that's not true at all. To run those wide open offenses requires a QB who makes split second decisions correctly the vast majority of the time. Cam has improved dramatically and I think he's poised to get there but he still likes to hang on to his first read a beat too long right now. It takes several years to build that recognition and none of the young QBs are there yet.

Throw in a less than stellar supporting cast and the knowledge that the defense can keep it close, plus a little bit of gunshyness on Cam's part as he worked to keep his turnovers down, and conservative play calling and you can see how much of that ranking is to be expected.

#19 TheRumGone

TheRumGone

    mountain man

  • ALL-PRO
  • 9,895 posts
  • LocationAsheville, NC

Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:47 AM

28th in yards, but we had a good defense that gave us solid field position throughout the year that made scoring easier by having to get far less yards. I dont like using yards only to determine how good an offense was, but it certainly has to be considered.


Whose to say we couldn't have gotten more yards if the defense didn't give us field position.

We were one of the most efficient teams in the nfl last year.

Look I'm not defending Shula just like I wasn't defending Bell in earlier threads. But things are not as bad as people make them out to be

#20 Peppers90 NC

Peppers90 NC

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,086 posts

Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:50 AM

Whose to say we couldn't have gotten more yards if the defense didn't give us field position.

We were one of the most efficient teams in the nfl last year.

Look I'm not defending Shula just like I wasn't defending Bell in earlier threads. But things are not as bad as people make them out to be

i was more or less agreeing with you, just throwing extra reasons why the yards may have been so low.  we had our best defense and one of best special teams of all time last year, i certainly think we were capable of being better and definitely think we will be closer to 2011/12 this year.  i dont think saying we were the 28th best offense last year because thats where we ranked in yards is very accurate.



#21 Captain Morgan

Captain Morgan

    Junior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,221 posts

Posted 20 June 2014 - 10:00 AM

it's a shame this turned into another bash Shula thread.  Getting back to the, OP, I'm loves me some Riverboat Ron.



#22 Johnny Rockets

Johnny Rockets

    Mayor of Awesomeville

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,391 posts

Posted 20 June 2014 - 10:02 AM

Whose to say we couldn't have gotten more yards if the defense didn't give us field position.

We were one of the most efficient teams in the nfl last year.

Look I'm not defending Shula just like I wasn't defending Bell in earlier threads. But things are not as bad as people make them out to be

 

Here are some in depth offensive NFL rankings to support your argument. Seems pretty efficient to me.

 

 

Avg starting field position - 6th (29.16 yard line)

 

% of drives that led to 1st down or TD - 5th

 

Offensive Yards Per Drive - 11th

 

Offensive Points per drive - 10th

 

Turnovers per Drive - 7th

 

Time of Possesion per drive - 2nd

 

 

That was my contribution for the day.....I'm exhausted now.


Edited by Johnny Rockets, 20 June 2014 - 10:06 AM.


#23 Haplo E

Haplo E

    HUDDLER

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,673 posts

Posted 20 June 2014 - 10:02 AM

Just play the game.



#24 fieryprophet

fieryprophet

    WARNING: Do not annoy!

  • ALL-PRO
  • 5,317 posts
  • LocationLa Grange, NC

Posted 20 June 2014 - 10:03 AM

18th in points doesn't exactly sound menacing.


True, but that's 10 places difference.

#25 TheRumGone

TheRumGone

    mountain man

  • ALL-PRO
  • 9,895 posts
  • LocationAsheville, NC

Posted 20 June 2014 - 10:08 AM

Here are some in depth offensive NFL rankings to support your argument. Seems pretty efficient to me.

 

 

Avg starting field position - 6th (29.16 yard line)

 

% of drives that let to 1st down or TD - 5th

 

Offensive Yards Per Drive - 11th

 

Offensive Points per drive - 10th

 

Turnovers per Drive - 7th

 

Time of Possesion per drive - 2nd

 

 

That was my contribution for the day.....I'm exhausted now.

 

thanks bud. and the only reason i knew all of this was teerays write up after the end of last season.

 

there is no question we need to get better at things. and i don't think of us as a top 10 offense last year.

 

but the hyperbole of using the 28th ranked offense is a misnomer and doesn't give credit where credit is due to Shula (who did some good things and some bad things last year)

 

I'm really excited about the red zone this year; with our interior guards, kb and cotchery. I think we see something similar but if a TE like Bwilliams steps up its going to be interesting to see how Shula utilizes all this talent, because we do have some talent (although unproven) on this offense.

 

it's going to be really exciting i think.
 



#26 Johnny Rockets

Johnny Rockets

    Mayor of Awesomeville

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,391 posts

Posted 20 June 2014 - 10:12 AM

thanks bud. and the only reason i knew all of this was teerays write up after the end of last season.

 

there is no question we need to get better at things. and i don't think of us as a top 10 offense last year.

 

but the hyperbole of using the 28th ranked offense is a misnomer and doesn't give credit where credit is due to Shula (who did some good things and some bad things last year)

 

I'm really excited about the red zone this year; with our interior guards, kb and cotchery. I think we see something similar but if a TE like Bwilliams steps up its going to be interesting to see how Shula utilizes all this talent, because we do have some talent (although unproven) on this offense.

 

it's going to be really exciting i think.
 

 

 

No problem...if you ever need any in depth stats like this just let me know. I planted a micro chip into Mr. Scott's head years ago when I met him and can download this stuff with just a click of a button.

 

He don't know though and it may be slightly illegal, so don't tell him.



#27 Jeremy Igo

Jeremy Igo

    Administrator

  • MFCEO
  • 3,494 posts

Posted 20 June 2014 - 10:19 AM

Johnny Rockets has changed my mind.

 

 

For that he gets a free foot rub.



#28 MadHatter

MadHatter

    The Only Voice of Reason

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 19,223 posts
  • LocationDark Side of the Moon

Posted 20 June 2014 - 11:13 AM

Here are some in depth offensive NFL rankings to support your argument. Seems pretty efficient to me.


Avg starting field position - 6th (29.16 yard line)

% of drives that led to 1st down or TD - 5th

Offensive Yards Per Drive - 11th

Offensive Points per drive - 10th

Turnovers per Drive - 7th

Time of Possesion per drive - 2nd


That was my contribution for the day.....I'm exhausted now.


But none of those stats support the "our offense sucks because of Shula...and he should be fired" crowd. We will just ignore them and cherry pick the ones that do.

#29 SCP

SCP

    Crop Dusting Son of a Bitch

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 20,547 posts
  • LocationOn a Sales Call

Posted 20 June 2014 - 11:25 AM

Attached File  ImageUploadedByCarolinaHuddle1403281512.903973.jpg   117.98KB   19 downloads


Sent from my iPhizzle while pooping using CarolinaHizzle

#30 Kurb

Kurb

    I hit it.

  • Administrators
  • 13,614 posts
  • LocationILM

Posted 20 June 2014 - 12:07 PM

Combine 3rd efficiency, scoring, 4th quarter rushing with a lead, drives for score vs drives with punt and you would have a decent offensive ranking system.


0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Shop at Amazon Contact Us: info@carolinahuddle.com