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Ahhh, Yeah, The Old Chip On The Shoulder, D. Newton Reports


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#11 lola

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:29 AM

wut?


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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:31 AM

It comes from how offenses have been ranked since the inception of the league

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That's always been considered flawed, however. We're no juggernaut but we were far more efficient than most offenses with more total yardage. And considering our personnel last year I have no idea how we could have been dramatically better.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:33 AM

Don't you think you should take everything into consideration? Like points, efficiency, 3rd down, 4th down ect.

 

 

Sure, but then you would need to do the exact same thing for every other team as well. 

 

My hunch is that if you take all the important stats for every team and came up with an overall offensive production ranking, the Panthers would be in the bottom third of the league.

 

With a QB like Cam Newton on the team, that is not acceptable.



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:36 AM

We had the worst passing offense of all the teams in the playoffs last season. I am liking this new group of receivers that we brought in. Some look at them as "no-names", but I look at them as professionals who are ready to make their mark on the league. I've been reading all of these articles on how they are predicting Carolina to finish last in the divison, ect. All the talking heads don't matter. Only thing that matters it the product on the field. I believe our offense will take some people by surprise. Yeah I am a fan and we have to be hopeful, right? I do believe we have a special group that is gaining chemistry which each other day by day. I can't wait for the season to start. Go Panthers!



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:40 AM

Sure, but then you would need to do the exact same thing for every other team as well.

My hunch is that if you take all the important stats for every team and came up with an overall offensive production ranking, the Panthers would be in the bottom third of the league.

With a QB like Cam Newton on the team, that is not acceptable.


Plenty of websites already do that. And we were not in bottom third of the league. We were one of the more efficient offensive teams in the NFL.

Efficiency >>>>> total yards or total points

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:41 AM

Sure, but then you would need to do the exact same thing for every other team as well.

My hunch is that if you take all the important stats for every team and came up with an overall offensive production ranking, the Panthers would be in the bottom third of the league.

With a QB like Cam Newton on the team, that is not acceptable.


I don't think we'd be in the bottom third because we are ranked in the top five and top ten of the categories I listed like 3rd/4th down, efficiency per drive, ect.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:42 AM

Don't you think you should take everything into consideration? Like points, efficiency, 3rd down, 4th down ect.

We needed more big impact plays for sure but taking all of it into account gives a better picture of our offense last year. We weren't very good but we were not in the top 5 worst offenses

28th in yards, but we had a good defense that gave us solid field position throughout the year that made scoring easier by having to get far less yards.  I dont like using yards only to determine how good an offense was, but it certainly has to be considered.



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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:44 AM

Sure, but then you would need to do the exact same thing for every other team as well.

My hunch is that if you take all the important stats for every team and came up with an overall offensive production ranking, the Panthers would be in the bottom third of the league.

With a QB like Cam Newton on the team, that is not acceptable.


I am Cam defender #1 but that's not true at all. To run those wide open offenses requires a QB who makes split second decisions correctly the vast majority of the time. Cam has improved dramatically and I think he's poised to get there but he still likes to hang on to his first read a beat too long right now. It takes several years to build that recognition and none of the young QBs are there yet.

Throw in a less than stellar supporting cast and the knowledge that the defense can keep it close, plus a little bit of gunshyness on Cam's part as he worked to keep his turnovers down, and conservative play calling and you can see how much of that ranking is to be expected.

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:47 AM

28th in yards, but we had a good defense that gave us solid field position throughout the year that made scoring easier by having to get far less yards. I dont like using yards only to determine how good an offense was, but it certainly has to be considered.


Whose to say we couldn't have gotten more yards if the defense didn't give us field position.

We were one of the most efficient teams in the nfl last year.

Look I'm not defending Shula just like I wasn't defending Bell in earlier threads. But things are not as bad as people make them out to be

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Posted 20 June 2014 - 09:50 AM

Whose to say we couldn't have gotten more yards if the defense didn't give us field position.

We were one of the most efficient teams in the nfl last year.

Look I'm not defending Shula just like I wasn't defending Bell in earlier threads. But things are not as bad as people make them out to be

i was more or less agreeing with you, just throwing extra reasons why the yards may have been so low.  we had our best defense and one of best special teams of all time last year, i certainly think we were capable of being better and definitely think we will be closer to 2011/12 this year.  i dont think saying we were the 28th best offense last year because thats where we ranked in yards is very accurate.




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