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#25 TANTRIC-NINJA

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Posted 23 June 2014 - 10:24 PM

We need to get the hell out of there.

We have plenty of oil here. While I feel bad for the women and the victims of their insane religious beliefs, it ain't our fight.


Its not about "the fight" or Oil... It as moved well beyond this.

Still it is about resources.


http://www.globalres...tural-gas/19769


“The previously unknown deposits — including huge veins of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and critical industrial metals like lithium — are so big and include so many minerals that are essential to modern industry that Afghanistan could eventually be transformed into one of the most important mining centers in the world, the United States officials believe.

An internal Pentagon memo, for example, states that Afghanistan could become the “Saudi Arabia of lithium,” a key raw material in the manufacture of batteries for laptops and BlackBerrys.

The vast scale of Afghanistan’s mineral wealth was discovered by a small team of Pentagon officials and American geologists. The Afghan government and President Hamid Karzai were recently briefed, American officials said.

While it could take many years to develop a mining industry, the potential is so great that officials and executives in the industry believe it could attract heavy investment even before mines are profitable, providing the possibility of jobs that could distract from generations of war.

“There is stunning potential here,” Gen. David H. Petraeus, commander of the United States Central Command, said… “There are a lot of ifs, of course, but I think potentially it is hugely significant.”

The value of the newly discovered mineral deposits dwarfs the size of Afghanistan’s existing war-bedraggled economy, which is based largely on opium production and narcotics trafficking as well as aid from the United States and other industrialized countries. Afghanistan’s gross domestic product is only about $12 billion.

“This will become the backbone of the Afghan economy,” said Jalil Jumriany, an adviser to the Afghan minister of mines. (New York Times, op. cit.)

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 10:30 AM

Its not about "the fight" or Oil... It as moved well beyond this.

Still it is about resources.
 

 

 

We involve ourselves in the Middle East due to oil, there is little doubt about that.  Without it, we would probably ignore the various conflicts.  However, the invasion of Afghanistan specifically had nothing to do with resources, mineral or otherwise.  We went into Afghanistan because the Taliban were providing a safe haven for Al Qaeda to operate.  Denying your enemy a base of operations is military strategy 101.  The conspiracy theorist attempt to find some ulterior motive for going in is amusing, but has no basis in reality. 



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Posted 24 June 2014 - 10:52 AM

Its not about "the fight" or Oil... It as moved well beyond this.

Still it is about resources.


http://www.globalres...tural-gas/19769


“The previously unknown deposits — including huge veins of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and critical industrial metals like lithium — are so big and include so many minerals that are essential to modern industry that Afghanistan could eventually be transformed into one of the most important mining centers in the world, the United States officials believe.

An internal Pentagon memo, for example, states that Afghanistan could become the “Saudi Arabia of lithium,” a key raw material in the manufacture of batteries for laptops and BlackBerrys.

The vast scale of Afghanistan’s mineral wealth was discovered by a small team of Pentagon officials and American geologists. The Afghan government and President Hamid Karzai were recently briefed, American officials said.

While it could take many years to develop a mining industry, the potential is so great that officials and executives in the industry believe it could attract heavy investment even before mines are profitable, providing the possibility of jobs that could distract from generations of war.

“There is stunning potential here,” Gen. David H. Petraeus, commander of the United States Central Command, said… “There are a lot of ifs, of course, but I think potentially it is hugely significant.”

The value of the newly discovered mineral deposits dwarfs the size of Afghanistan’s existing war-bedraggled economy, which is based largely on opium production and narcotics trafficking as well as aid from the United States and other industrialized countries. Afghanistan’s gross domestic product is only about $12 billion.

“This will become the backbone of the Afghan economy,” said Jalil Jumriany, an adviser to the Afghan minister of mines. (New York Times, op. cit.)


This has been a big known for a while but I am glad someone brought that back up. Doesn't China own the mineral rights there?

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 10:53 AM

We involve ourselves in the Middle East due to oil, there is little doubt about that. Without it, we would probably ignore the various conflicts. However, the invasion of Afghanistan specifically had nothing to do with resources, mineral or otherwise. We went into Afghanistan because the Taliban were providing a safe haven for Al Qaeda to operate. Denying your enemy a base of operations is military strategy 101. The conspiracy theorist attempt to find some ulterior motive for going in is amusing, but has no basis in reality.


I think was a combo of the two conditions.

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 11:18 AM

Whatever mineral wealth is in Afghanistan is not accessible to us, and will not be for a long time, if ever.  Even if Afghanistan was peaceful, its half a world away, with no seaports, very little infrastructure, and any trucks shipping minerals would have to pass through Pakistan, Iran, or Russia (not exactly hospitable places for US companies to operate).  The logistics of getting any mineral wealth out are just not worth it for most US firms.  Any profit from these minerals are 20-30 years away, if Afghanistan settles down (a huge if).  We don't exactly have Western Corporations clamoring to get involved.  A few (mostly Indian Firms) have expressed interest in opening mining operations there, but at this point, its just talk.  And with the unsettled security situation, the smart ones will not even consider investing resources there, until things settle down. 



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Posted 24 June 2014 - 11:22 AM

 The ones fighting the wars may truly believe in the cause they have chosen? On our side and theirs. But every global conflict centers around control of resources, and geo-political strength. The money and the power. I bet we go back whether we want to or not. ISIS has seized alot of wealth and oil. Which belongs to people who have enough money to make the world go round. And I am sure they will be wanting it all back?



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Posted 24 June 2014 - 02:49 PM

 The ones fighting the wars may truly believe in the cause they have chosen? On our side and theirs. But every global conflict centers around control of resources, and geo-political strength. The money and the power. I bet we go back whether we want to or not. ISIS has seized alot of wealth and oil. Which belongs to people who have enough money to make the world go round. And I am sure they will be wanting it all back?

 

Sure, that's true with the vast majority of wars, and as I said, we are in the ME because of oil.  But that doesn't mean specific military operations are designed to control resources.   We didn't go into Afghanistan so our companies could access their mineral wealth.  If we did, they are seriously disappointed now since none of them have access to it, and the current leaders of these companies will be long dead or retired before we do. 


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Posted 25 June 2014 - 07:48 AM

Sure, that's true with the vast majority of wars, and as I said, we are in the ME because of oil.  But that doesn't mean specific military operations are designed to control resources.   We didn't go into Afghanistan so our companies could access their mineral wealth.  If we did, they are seriously disappointed now since none of them have access to it, and the current leaders of these companies will be long dead or retired before we do. 

Political strength...,regionally speaking. Resources are a big part of it, yes. But Putin doesn't want a vacation home in Syria. He wants geographical leverage over european nations. The main reason we have such interest in the ME is strategic placement of military installations. Which gives us political strength in that region.



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Posted 25 June 2014 - 08:57 AM

Political strength...,regionally speaking. Resources are a big part of it, yes. But Putin doesn't want a vacation home in Syria. He wants geographical leverage over european nations. The main reason we have such interest in the ME is strategic placement of military installations. Which gives us political strength in that region.

 

Sorry, but the main reason we have interest in the Middle East is oil.  Military installations are only relevant because of oil.  From a military logistical, tactical, strategic, and political perspective, there are far better locations for bases.  Oil is still the lifeblood of the world, and we are there to ensure that the flow remains largely uninterrupted. Most of us will not be alive to see it, but when ME Oil runs out, our interest in the region will dry up. 

 

Putin has interest in Syria because they are one of Russia's few remaining client states, and he wants to show that Russia still backs its allies against the US.  That is also the reason Russia has increased its ties with Cuba over the last few years. 




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