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Make or break year for Shula (I hope)

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Lets see if what happened in San Diego happens here which is that Ramsdell was quickly adopted as a fan favorite with many wanting him to replace their OC.  Didn't happen there and likely won't here.  I am sure Ramsdell could call a game but I don't think he ever has.  Hard to replace a guy who helped us go 12-4 in his first season as OC with someone who has never been an OC.

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So those terrible wide receivers of ours are still on the market right?

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None of them are more than #3 on their rosters. One's not even healthy. One's about to be moved to TE. One said they were ready to retire this year. The other was wildly overpaid two years after 2 catches.
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both seattle and san francisco's offenses were ranked in the bottom half of the league. their elite defenses is what earned them their records.

 

This is a bit deceptive. The elite defense means they don't have to score as much so they will spend more time running down the clock. That doesn't mean their offense is below average. It merely means they don't have to try as hard because they are good in so many different areas. Teams like the colts and saints need to constantly push the offense because they dont have support from their defense. 

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So those terrible wide receivers of ours are still on the market right?

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Well, one is not going to play WR and instead fill a role as a crazy hybrid player for Tom Brady.

 

Another is injured, yet again.

 

Another is on pace to see little time in an Arizona passing game and find himself going back to his old role of punt returner and deep threat decoy.

 

And another one is going to play a Wes Welker slot role for the Ravens because he is not a #1.

 

So, of the 4 only one was a serious WR, and he has been suited for a slot/#2 role for the past few seasons.

 

And how many were red zone threats? None.

 

I do wish the Panthers kept Smitty and switched him to a slot role like the Ravens are doing. I also understand asking him to step down from his leadership role and taking a less aggressive stance with young players. That last part is what I believe sealed his fate. I don't see Smith stepping back from intimidating the younger receivers and allowing Cam to run the offense. We love Smith, but let us be honest. He was never a team player like Mike Tolbert or a true leader like Luke Kuechly. He made mention in interviews of having to force himself to take that mindset. It never came natural to him, and he did not really want that role. He will be better off in Baltimore.

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But we weren't above average. We were a below average offense.


my point was it doesn't matter how good or bad an offense is, it will usually struggles against an elite defense.

Again, I'm not quitting on Shula yet because he really didn't have a lot to work with. But if we want to contend for and win some superbowls (which is the ultimate goal) we are going to have to be dominant in either passing or rushing. Seattle and San Fran both were ranked 3rd and 4th (respectively) in rushing and their QB wasn't the one with most of their rushing yards. Hopefully Shula can open the playbook up more now that our offense is getting healthier.


now this i can agree with.

with all the moaning and groaning about shula, you'd think the panthers went 4-12 last season instead of 12-4. the issue with the offense overall is there's no threat outside of newton. as much as people want to paint him as all world, the offense has to have an identity to compliment him. teams aren't stacking the box and daring him to throw like they did his rookie season. he's the focal point of opposing defenses, and until carolina has a true rushing attack (hello double trouble where are you???) or a dominant wide receiver (kelvin Benjamin...knock on wood) to draw some of the attention off him, the offense is going to remain an ugly one man show.
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Considering what Chud was doing for 2 years U'd think us fans would be nothing but happy to see his polar opposite calling plays for us (Shula).

 

I had some issues with his playcalling but I see a lot of benefit to what we were doing on offense, especially given the lack of talent on the line and at the wideout position.

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my point was it doesn't matter how good or bad an offense is, it will usually struggles against an elite defense.


now this i can agree with.

with all the moaning and groaning about shula, you'd think the panthers went 4-12 last season instead of 12-4. the issue with the offense overall is there's no threat outside of newton. as much as people want to paint him as all world, the offense has to have an identity to compliment him. teams aren't stacking the box and daring him to throw like they did his rookie season. he's the focal point of opposing defenses, and until carolina has a true rushing attack (hello double trouble where are you???) or a dominant wide receiver (kelvin Benjamin...knock on wood) to draw some of the attention off him, the offense is going to remain an ugly one man show.

 

Seeing Cam single handedly win games puts a big creepy pedosmile on me.

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So those terrible wide receivers of ours are still on the market right?

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Pretty much all the WRs we lost are now a WR3 on their new team. That definitely says something about what Shula had to work with in the passing game. The running game sucked too because the OL wasnt generating the lanes for our RB. He did a pretty good job with what we had. We have some good pieces in Cam, Olsen, Kalil, and Gross but the rest of the offense was pretty poor. The OL did their job in pass protection but sucked in the run game. The pass game was pretty much all on Cam and Olsen

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This is a bit deceptive. The elite defense means they don't have to score as much so they will spend more time running down the clock. That doesn't mean their offense is below average. It merely means they don't have to try as hard because they are good in so many different areas. Teams like the colts and saints need to constantly push the offense because they dont have support from their defense.


so why does the same concept of it being acceptable to not have to score as much because of having an elite defense not apply to the panthers?

i've watched plenty of seattle games to see that they are (with the exception of have a true rushing attack) are a mirror image of the panthers...even down to wilson bailing out the offense in clutch situations just like newton does for the panthers.
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Shula has never had a good offense. 

 

Always been too conservative and lacks imagination. 

 

I am amazed that people can defend this man. 

 

 

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so why does the same concept of it being acceptable to not have to score as much because of having an elite defense not apply to the panthers?

i've watched plenty of seattle games to see that they are (with the exception of have a true rushing attack) are a mirror image of the panthers...even down to wilson bailing out the offense in clutch situations just like newton does for the panthers.

 

O it definitely applies to the panthers too. Our D was so good that the offense didn't have to push the ball. That is why Shula shouldnt get as much hate as he does. Shula is average to good in my opinion.  

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Wanting to improve in a specific area I don't think should really qualify as "moaning and groaning".  The great teams always try to improve in their weaker areas.   No one''s saying he's the worst OC in the history of football but his playcalling is suspect more times than not, IMO.

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