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Posted 12 July 2014 - 07:26 PM

Thank you sir. It took a little bit of work, but I enjoy working through the cap numbers for some reason.


Wanted to ask. Do we still own Tolliver's, CDR's, and Pargo's rights as well?

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 07:29 PM

Hopefully we wise up and let Kemba walk if he ask for more than 7. Steph is coming



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 07:33 PM

Wanted to ask. Do we still own Tolliver's, CDR's, and Pargo's rights as well?

No to all of them. To own bird rights the player has to be under contract with you for 2 years consecutively (not necessarily the same contract) OR they transfer from an old team with a trade (hence why we have Ridnour's, he signed a 4 year deal back in 2010).



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 07:34 PM

No to all of them. To own bird rights the player has to be under contract with you for 2 years consecutively (not necessarily the same contract) OR they transfer from an old team with a trade (hence why we have Ridnour's, he signed a 4 year deal back in 2010).


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:09 PM

Just ran a few numbers and assuming Al gets a salary increase in the $18 mil range and Kemba gets an extension in the $8.5 mil range.

We will have no space next year.

The MLE will be our only option...

Just running a mock roster for 2015...

PG: Walker, Back-Up Signed This Year, Third String Vet
SG: Henderson, Hairston
SF: MKG, Taylor, Draft Pick
PF: Williams, Zeller, Vonleh
C: Jefferson, MLE

Then the other two spots might be filled by summer league guys. Our cap space situation for the next two years took a hit with that Williams deal.

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:18 PM

Just ran a few numbers and assuming Al gets a salary increase in the $18 mil range and Kemba gets an extension in the $8.5 mil range.

We will have no space next year.

The MLE will be our only option...

Just running a mock roster for 2015...

PG: Walker, Back-Up Signed This Year, Third String Vet
SG: Henderson, Hairston
SF: MKG, Taylor, Draft Pick
PF: Williams, Zeller, Vonleh
C: Jefferson, MLE

Then the other two spots might be filled by summer league guys. Our cap space situation for the next two years took a hit with that Williams deal.

Taylor would also have to be extended next year or we would have to use the MLE or bi-annual on a backup SF.



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:22 PM

Taylor would also have to be extended next year or we would have to use the MLE or bi-annual on a backup SF.

Yeah I gave Taylor a 2yr/$4 mil deal.

After looking at the draft class that might be the best idea. Use the bi-annual on a back up SF, draft a shooting guard, and use the MLE on a back up center.

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:24 PM

Yeah I gave Taylor a 2yr/$4 mil deal.

That sounds about right. Damn, we better hope a couple of MKG, Vonleh, Zeller, Kemba, and Hairston turn into really good players.



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:29 PM

That sounds about right. Damn, we better hope a couple of MKG, Vonleh, Zeller, Kemba, and Hairston turn into really good players.


Just looked at the 2015 class, the bi-annual on the small forward looks like a good call. If you don't have a lotto pick, you might not get a good small forward.

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:30 PM

I'm a little confused.  In the trade we owed Haywood 2 million.  We got a unguaranteed contract of 2.4 million and some undisclosed cash.

 

So we actually opened up I guess 2.4 million with the trade. 

 

The undisclosed cash though, how does that work?  Is that added to cap room as in Cleveland pays for a bit of a future contract?  Or does Michael just pocket that and take it to gamble at the golf course?

 

 

I am obviously a dolt about some of the weird contract rules in the NBA


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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:33 PM

I'm a little confused.  In the trade we owed Haywood 2 million.  We got a unguaranteed contract of 2.4 million and some undisclosed cash.

 

So we actually opened up I guess 2.4 million with the trade.  The undisclosed cash, how does that work?  Is that added to cap room as in Cleveland pays for a bit of a future contract?  Or does Michael Just pocket that and take it to gamble at the golf course?

 

 

I am obviously a dolt about some of the weird contract rules in the NBA

That's the weird thing about cash in trades, it's just pocketed by the organization, they can use it for whatever. It doesn't free up any cap room.



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Posted 12 July 2014 - 08:46 PM

I'd be interested in using the MLE on Samuel Dalembert next year.

I know this is a long way away, but I like these scenarios.

Just a mock 2015 roster

PG; Kemba Walker, Kirk Hinrich (sign this year), Oliver Hanlan (draft next year)
SG: Gerald Henderson, P.J. Hairston, Jabari Bird (draft next year)
SF: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Travis Outlaw (bi-annual), Jeff Taylor, Josh Davis (sign this year)
PF: Marvin Williams, Cody Zeller, Noah Vonleh
C: Al Jefferson, Samuel Dalembert (MLE)

Not awful for no cap space.


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