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long term deal for hardy was never in the plans


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#16 ickmule

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:31 PM

I'm not gonna worry about it. For once we have a GM that knows what he's doing.


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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:32 PM

If no long term deal is done, the tag on Hardy will look absolutely dumb. That would be the first bad move by Gettleman. Could've let Hardy walk and used the money to shore up our other weaknesses on the team.

 

Not really. We kept our strength a strength. If we're putting our chips on Ealy, then he needs at least a year to develop into a starter.



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:34 PM

Not really. We kept our strength a strength. If we're putting our chips on Ealy, then he needs at least a year to develop into a starter.


Keep our strengths and strength. Hmm sounds like Hurney and our RBs. Sure you can do that, but you also leave all of your weaknesses weak. We sure could've helped our weaknesses with 13 mil.

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:38 PM

Keep our strengths and strength. Hmm sounds like Hurney and our RBs. Sure you can do that, but you also leave all of your weaknesses weak. We sure could've helped our weaknesses with 13 mil.

 

Difference here is that Hurney grossly overpaid for our RBs (who then suffered from a crappy OL, poo coaching and injuries). Gettleman simply tagged an elite DE to keep the core together and to give Ealy time to adjust.

 

I don't see your point at all.



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:39 PM

If no long term deal is done, the tag on Hardy will look absolutely dumb. That would be the first bad move by Gettleman. Could've let Hardy walk and used the money to shore up our other weaknesses on the team.

 

Exactly.  I honestly think the plan was to sign him long-term and that got nixed after this latest stunt.  If that's what happened, then I understand.  But this whole idea of him never being part of the long-term plan?  I'm not buying it at all.  We know that the Panthers were in long-term negotiations with Hardy prior to using the franchise tag on him and there were reports that those negotiations were ongoing after the tag.  Wonder what could've changed those plans?

 

Here's a report of negotiations prior to the tag:

http://www.nfl.com/n...ngterm-contract

 

Here's a report of hinting at ongoing negotiations after the tag and only two weeks before his arrest:

Gettleman believes odds of re-signing Greg Hardy 2 long-term deal are better now that 2014 FA market has settled & future NFL cap $$ clearer

 

It just seems like the Panthers are trying to save face here and are actually making themselves look worse for it.  Openly saying you blew your cap space on franchising a young DE knowing he wasn't a part of your future plans makes pretty much everyone scratch their heads.  Saying that the arrest changed those plans and now we're taking a wait and see approach makes a ton of sense.



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:39 PM

Difference here is that Hurney grossly overpaid for our RBs (who then suffered from a crappy OL, poo coaching and injuries). Gettleman simply tagged an elite DE to keep the core together and to give Ealy time to adjust.
 
I don't see your point at all.


13 mil to help our weaknesses. It's not really that hard to understand.

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:40 PM

who did carolina miss out on signing this offseason because of the franchise tag on hardy?

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:42 PM

who did carolina miss out on signing this offseason because of the franchise tag on hardy?


There were a lot of tackles that went to other teams.

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:43 PM

Protecting your franchise QB is more important than keeping a luxury player at DE.

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:44 PM

Not sure I would call Hardy a luxury

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:46 PM

13 mil to help our weaknesses. It's not really that hard to understand.

 

Then you assume too much. The WR market was filled with guys like Decker who got overpaid. What? You think an extra 13 million would have persuaded Nicks to join us after taking less with The Colts?

 

The fact is we're repeating what got us to the dance in the first place. Defense, possession, and the run game.



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:48 PM

I hope that the best situation for Greg pans out, whether it be in Carolina or somewhere else.

He went from a top 10 lock to a 5th round pick to a part of one of the most dominant DLs in the league.

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:48 PM

Then you assume too much. The WR market was filled with guys like Decker who got overpaid. What? You think an extra 13 million would have persuaded Nicks to join us after taking less with The Colts?

 

The fact is we're repeating what got us to the dance in the first place. Defense, possession, and the run game.

 

Decker is a poor example.  He only got $15M guaranteed.  The Jets can walk away from that contract after two years with no penalty.  They got a good deal on Decker.



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:48 PM

Protecting your franchise QB is more important than keeping a luxury player at DE.

 

In case you didn't notice, our pass blocking was poo last year too. Thus we adapted to defenses blitzing.



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Posted 14 July 2014 - 09:49 PM

yeah, having 18mil tied up in rb's and a lb year after year isn't the same as keeping much more than a luxury in Hardy for 1 year..

 

 

the only spot I'm really concerned with is LT..  we'll have to see how that shakes out.  If they get some picks for Hardy then that's a major plus..


Edited by bleys, 14 July 2014 - 09:52 PM.



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