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#61 ECUPantherFan

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 01:24 PM

How do I know? Well, lets just say it is an educated guess. Good shooter who isnt afraid to let his shot fire a ton a game. You do the math. Not even mentioning he has had a per or ppg of around 20 every year prior. Dude is a scorer plain and simple. 

 

How can a prediction be pawned off as a statistical fact? lol That is impossible.  Ever considered you just take or misread someones opinion as a statistical fact? 

 

It's not even worth arguing with you because you lack the ability to think objectively, yet for some reason I keep trying to make you understand.  It's exhausting.

 

The fact is, you DON'T "KNOW" that PJ is going to score 15-20 ppg.  Nobody to my knowledge has the ability to see into the future, and PJ hasn't played a single NBA game yet.  I will accept your explanation that it is an educated guess, if you'll back off on your conclusive statements that "PJ should start because he'll get you 15-20 ppg" because frankly, you don't know that.  To this point in PJ's career, we have seen him play well in the ACC, the D-League, and relatively well in the NBA Summer League.  Success in those 3 leagues absolutely does not guarantee success in the NBA, as the level of the competition in the NBA DWARFES those other 3. 

 

Fact is, PJ had moments of brilliance in the summer league, but he also missed a LOT of shots.  He jacked up shots like his life depended on it.  Maybe it's because he felt he needed to carry the team, but that won't be the case during the regular season.  Al & Lance (and sometimes Kemba) will likely carry the scoring load for this team.  Clifford will not allow PJ to take 25 shots a game. 

 

Like I keep saying... I am rooting for PJ!  I really want him to be a solid contributor to this team, but when you've got guys like SuperJ saying things like "He was the best player in the draft" and you're telling me that he's an automatic 15-20ppg player before he even laces it up one time makes it VERY difficult to take anything you say seriously.  Show a little less homerism, and a little more objectivism...it'll add to your credibility.


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#62 Rise of The Hive

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 10:54 PM

PJ will surprise imo.



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 11:22 PM

It's not even worth arguing with you because you lack the ability to think objectively, yet for some reason I keep trying to make you understand.  It's exhausting.

 

The fact is, you DON'T "KNOW" that PJ is going to score 15-20 ppg.  Nobody to my knowledge has the ability to see into the future, and PJ hasn't played a single NBA game yet.  I will accept your explanation that it is an educated guess, if you'll back off on your conclusive statements that "PJ should start because he'll get you 15-20 ppg" because frankly, you don't know that.  To this point in PJ's career, we have seen him play well in the ACC, the D-League, and relatively well in the NBA Summer League.  Success in those 3 leagues absolutely does not guarantee success in the NBA, as the level of the competition in the NBA DWARFES those other 3. 

 

Fact is, PJ had moments of brilliance in the summer league, but he also missed a LOT of shots.  He jacked up shots like his life depended on it.  Maybe it's because he felt he needed to carry the team, but that won't be the case during the regular season.  Al & Lance (and sometimes Kemba) will likely carry the scoring load for this team.  Clifford will not allow PJ to take 25 shots a game. 

 

Like I keep saying... I am rooting for PJ!  I really want him to be a solid contributor to this team, but when you've got guys like SuperJ saying things like "He was the best player in the draft" and you're telling me that he's an automatic 15-20ppg player before he even laces it up one time makes it VERY difficult to take anything you say seriously.  Show a little less homerism, and a little more objectivism...it'll add to your credibility.

 

You still do not understand how to recognize when someone is speaking an opinion and when someone is speaking a fact. Facts are stuff we can measure and see with our eyes. Opinions are not. 

 

When I said PJ would average 15-20ppg that is an opinion as PJ has yet to play in the NBA. Why do I think this? Well PJ if given good minutes will more than likely put up a good amount of shots (Al's double teams, Lance and Kemba kickouts etc). For someone of PJ's shooting ability, 15ppg on a good amount of shots is not very hard. 

 

Now the best player in the draft comment is a bit of a stretch, I am not sure how anyone can rationalize that. Maybe best SG in the draft but def not best player. 

 

Learn to differentiate between opinions and facts and it will add to your credibility. 

 

And p.s. It will not always be obvious as many posters write opinions in ways that at first glance can appear factish. Use your brain and ask yourself is this measurable or can be proven NOW. If the answer is no than it is an opinion. 

 

 



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Posted 27 July 2014 - 06:51 PM

PJ won't even get 15-20 mpg, much less ppg.  



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Posted 28 July 2014 - 08:09 AM

PJ won't even get 15-20 mpg, much less ppg.  

 

Certainly not with Lance, Hendo, and Neal all on the roster. 



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Posted 30 July 2014 - 02:53 PM

Noah doesn't want to play the 4, thinks of himself as a 3. He didn't like playing the 4/5 in summer league at all.


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Posted 30 July 2014 - 03:19 PM

Noah doesn't want to play the 4, thinks of himself as a 3. He didn't like playing the 4/5 in summer league at all.


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When he grows into the 4 and puts some weight on he will like it alot more.

Multiple double digit rebounds don't suggest that he "hated" it.

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Posted 30 July 2014 - 03:22 PM

Noah doesn't want to play the 4, thinks of himself as a 3. He didn't like playing the 4/5 in summer league at all.


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he said that?!? omg



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Posted 30 July 2014 - 03:49 PM

he said that?!? omg


Nowhere in that post did Carpan say Noah actually said that...I think it's more a reflection of his playing style.

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Posted 30 July 2014 - 03:58 PM

Nowhere in that post did Carpan say Noah actually said that...I think it's more a reflection of his playing style.

Oh. He's to big to play 3. And hes no KD



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Posted 30 July 2014 - 06:31 PM

No, word is he complained about it during summer league and wasn't happy with playing the 4/5 while there.

There's a video on the Hornets by rich Bucher and he says it during the video.
I'll post it when I get in at work.



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Posted 30 July 2014 - 10:10 PM

http://bleacherrepor...arlotte-hornets



I know it's a br report but he's the NBA reporter for Comcast in the Bay Area and used to work for ESPN.


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Posted 31 July 2014 - 12:25 AM

Vonleh is not skilled enough to play the 3 more effectively than the 4. 

 

He needs to embrace his " versatile stretch 4" role. 




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