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#16 BuffaloBills62

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:24 AM

Don't kid yourself, Benjamin is a WR with an OLB/DE frame. There won't be many (if any) DBs that can match his strength and momentum. It wouldn't have mattered if Gilmore was himself last night. He'd still be slammed to the ground by Kelvin 9 out of 10 times.

 

Not that it matters getting in to what could have or might have...  but in most games I think Benjamin gets McKelvin.  He is far more athletic and faster then Gilmore.  He would have been able to keep up and get in to position much more easily then Gilmore.  And, slammed to the ground - nah, because they'd have just pulled the CB back 5 yards and any contact would be illegal.  Also, they'd have gone to a cover 4.

 

From the limited amount I saw of KB I have to believe the best way to cover him in the NFL is to intercept and cut him off in motion with the safety.  There is little to not reason to not double team him because there are no viable threats to catch a cold on the team.  Double coverage on KB will be done from his first snap in his first game.  Against the Bucs you will likely see the CB play inside and under on KB, avoid nearly all contact and let Goldson cover the top.  Goldson will likely even be the first player to make contact.  Being that he only ran a 4.61 Benjamin isn't blowing by anyone and defenders have a better chance at jumping his route then they do actually stopping him.  He's just too big and powerful.

 

If you can keep him outside it will be even easier but a nearly impossible task to do. 



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:24 AM

A few observations:

 

Gilmore looked hardly himself last night, disinterested and not full go.  On the TD mentioned he failed to bother to turn his head; if he had done so the pass is easily deflected.  Also, it was funny watching Gilmore watch Benjamin - he gave up and figured Benjamin would have done the same once the contact was made.  If that was the average veteran player at WR, they'd have given up to, at least IMO.  Benjamin has something to prove, a rookie and he got in a tough catch.

 

Gilmore struggled a bit last season early after recovering from a broken hand and the contact rules have really messed with him.

 

Quite frankly one of the most ridiculous things I've heard this week



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:27 AM

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There is little to not reason to not double team him because there are no viable threats to catch a cold on the team. 

 

This only confirms your Panthers knowledge is based solely on ESPN.

 

I am trying to be nice. You are out of your league here. You should move along.



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:31 AM

A few observations:

 

Gilmore looked hardly himself last night, disinterested and not full go.  On the TD mentioned he failed to bother to turn his head; if he had done so the pass is easily deflected.  Also, it was funny watching Gilmore watch Benjamin - he gave up and figured Benjamin would have done the same once the contact was made.  If that was the average veteran player at WR, they'd have given up to, at least IMO.  Benjamin has something to prove, a rookie and he got in a tough catch.

 

Gilmore struggled a bit last season early after recovering from a broken hand and the contact rules have really messed with him.

 

Gilmore did not look for the ball because he shoved Benjamin off his route when Benjamin turned to look for the ball with Gilmore trailing. Benjamin stumbled after the shoved and Gilmore thought it was over. He was so very very wrong.



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:32 AM

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Not that it matters getting in to what could have or might have...  but in most games I think Benjamin gets McKelvin.  He is far more athletic and faster then Gilmore.  He would have been able to keep up and get in to position much more easily then Gilmore.  And, slammed to the ground - nah, because they'd have just pulled the CB back 5 yards and any contact would be illegal.  Also, they'd have gone to a cover 4.

 

From the limited amount I saw of KB I have to believe the best way to cover him in the NFL is to intercept and cut him off in motion with the safety.  There is little to not reason to not double team him because there are no viable threats to catch a cold on the team.  Double coverage on KB will be done from his first snap in his first game.  Against the Bucs you will likely see the CB play inside and under on KB, avoid nearly all contact and let Goldson cover the top.  Goldson will likely even be the first player to make contact.  Being that he only ran a 4.61 Benjamin isn't blowing by anyone and defenders have a better chance at jumping his route then they do actually stopping him.  He's just too big and powerful.

 

If you can keep him outside it will be even easier but a nearly impossible task to do. 

 

good points all around

 

honestly i'll be shocked if kelvin benjamin has a catch his entire rookie year

 

or his entire NFL career



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:33 AM

Quite frankly one of the most ridiculous things I've heard this week

 

so to you and the elf boy, why?  Gilmore did not turn his head and could have easily deflected that pass had he done so.  The play was impressively salvaged.

 

@34 seconds KB looks back and reaches back, throws himself out of balance and cannot keep his feet underneath him.  This obviously isn't a timing route, so he had no reason to over extend himself.  He either ran too flat or a route to keep his head back or just got off balance.  At that point he begins to stumble and Gilmore doesn't even bother to turn his head, which is CB School 101 stuff.

 

At the catch he overcomes all inertia and movement to find himself to the ball, an amazing set of moves which lets him haul in the TD.

 

Not to burst you fanatics bubble but that play won't happen every Sunday, or even once a month on Sundays.  It was a great play to watch and something special to see but it was a fluke.



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:33 AM

Not that it matters getting in to what could have or might have...  but in most games I think Benjamin gets McKelvin.  He is far more athletic and faster then Gilmore.  He would have been able to keep up and get in to position much more easily then Gilmore.  And, slammed to the ground - nah, because they'd have just pulled the CB back 5 yards and any contact would be illegal.  Also, they'd have gone to a cover 4.

 

From the limited amount I saw of KB I have to believe the best way to cover him in the NFL is to intercept and cut him off in motion with the safety.  There is little to not reason to not double team him because there are no viable threats to catch a cold on the team.  Double coverage on KB will be done from his first snap in his first game.  Against the Bucs you will likely see the CB play inside and under on KB, avoid nearly all contact and let Goldson cover the top.  Goldson will likely even be the first player to make contact.  Being that he only ran a 4.61 Benjamin isn't blowing by anyone and defenders have a better chance at jumping his route then they do actually stopping him.  He's just too big and powerful.

 

If you can keep him outside it will be even easier but a nearly impossible task to do. 

 

 

Im sorry we decided to take Cam from you guys.  If only we passed on him, he was all yours.

 

Im also sorry we took keuchly and left you with stephen gilmore.



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:34 AM

This only confirms your Panthers knowledge is based solely on ESPN.

 

I am trying to be nice. You are out of your league here. You should move along.

I don't get my info from ESPN.  Strictly Bleacher Report.  It's got the best stuff!

 

Gilmore did not look for the ball because he shoved Benjamin off his route when Benjamin turned to look for the ball with Gilmore trailing. Benjamin stumbled after the shoved and Gilmore thought it was over. He was so very very wrong.

Gilmore shoved him?  When?  When Benjamin was already behind him almost 2 yards?  Gilmore was beat off the snap, and badly.



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:37 AM

so to you and the elf boy, why? Gilmore did not turn his head and could have easily deflected that pass had he done so. The play was impressively salvaged.

@34 seconds KB looks back and reaches back, throws himself out of balance and cannot keep his feet underneath him. This obviously isn't a timing route, so he had no reason to over extend himself. He either ran too flat or a route to keep his head back or just got off balance. At that point he begins to stumble and Gilmore doesn't even bother to turn his head, which is CB School 101 stuff.

At the catch he overcomes all inertia and movement to find himself to the ball, an amazing set of moves which lets him haul in the TD.

Not to burst you fanatics bubble but that play won't happen every Sunday, or even once a month on Sundays. It was a great play to watch and something special to see but it was a fluke.


You think anyone gives a f*ck about what you have to say on a panthers message board? I'm asking in all seriousness.


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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:39 AM

I almost feel sorry for Buffalo. I have a family member with season tickets there and no one lives in the Carolinas for longer than a week without meeting someone from there. They lost the Stanley Cup to the Hurricanes, lost Cam and Luke to us by a pick or two, and their top 10 CB was abused by KB. Now they may lose their team. As for what matters, KB-OMG.

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:41 AM

I hear they are serving beef on weck at the Charlotte observer website......


(that should get rid of him)

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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:42 AM

You think anyone gives a f*ck about what you have to say on a panthers message board? I'm asking in all seriousness.


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I'm a narcissist so I don't give a f*ck if anyone cares.

 

However, that you all pretend I am a wet blanket of reality and refuse to believe that the play was a anomaly, well, I can't understand that.

 

It was a great play but should not have happened.  A better defense or running an actual defensive scheme would have stopped it.



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:43 AM

so to you and the elf boy, why?  Gilmore did not turn his head and could have easily deflected that pass had he done so.  The play was impressively salvaged.

 

@34 seconds KB looks back and reaches back, throws himself out of balance and cannot keep his feet underneath him.  This obviously isn't a timing route, so he had no reason to over extend himself.  He either ran too flat or a route to keep his head back or just got off balance.  At that point he begins to stumble and Gilmore doesn't even bother to turn his head, which is CB School 101 stuff.

 

At the catch he overcomes all inertia and movement to find himself to the ball, an amazing set of moves which lets him haul in the TD.

 

Not to burst you fanatics bubble but that play won't happen every Sunday, or even once a month on Sundays.  It was a great play to watch and something special to see but it was a fluke.

 

Of course it's not going to happen every week.

 

Gilmore did push him at 37 seconds. Which is CB School 101 when you get beat in man coverage. It makes everything afterward a moot point because he was beat off the snap, had to recover by shoving him (which showed he was giving effort on the play which for some reason you don't think he was), and DECIDED that he magically wasn't going to make a play on the ball?

 

My point is that it's too much damn credit to Gilmore who is a good CB that made a terrible play.


Edited by PiratePanther189, 09 August 2014 - 10:45 AM.


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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:43 AM

A few observations:

Gilmore looked hardly himself last night, disinterested and not full go.


I could say the same for Cason last night. Although, you know what happens when a good defense has a weak link and blows an assignment? You guessed it, the other 10 guys step up and make the necessary plays to keep the ball out of the end zone.

On Buffalo's first drive, he looked lack luster and was getting beat by a rookie, just as Gilmore was, but the rest of the defense stepped up and forced Buffalo to turn the ball over on downs at the 2 yard line.


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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:47 AM

good points all around

honestly i'll be shocked if kelvin benjamin has a catch his entire rookie year

or his entire NFL career

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