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#1 CoastalCat

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:30 AM

I need help on this one. 

 

So Godfrey comes back from injury, and the consensus right away is that the Panthers would like to keep him, but he'd need to transition to Nickel CB. Can someone tell me why?

 

Does it have to do with his injury? I realize that CB and Safety have different roles. Do safeties do too much pushing and run tackling for someone with an achilles injury? 

 

Does it have to do with depth? More room at corner? If that were the case, I would have expected to see him playing safety, at least a little, with all of Harper's missed time.

 

Someone please educate me. 



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:32 AM

Good question

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:34 AM

I don't know the real answer obviously but I would assume that it's because it is a position in need of veteran presence/competition. The other option is Bene and he is promising but unknown..



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:41 AM

http://www.newsobser...-offseason.html



    “He had success as a corner in college, and when we first got him we felt he had some nickel ability,” Panthers fourth-year coach Ron Rivera said. “So looking at that and looking at what our needs were, we felt this was the best opportunity for him to get a chance to play for us.”

 


Translation: Godfrey wasn't great before the surgery, and now after surgery asking him to cover half of the football field as a safety is not realistic. He can cover a smaller amount at nickel, a spot he may be able to compete for.



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:44 AM

I'm interested to see if he's gonna be with the first team offense this Sunday like he was vs the bills. Or if he gets downgraded.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:47 AM

Is Roman Harper really better than Godfrey and Lester? He may have the veteran leadership and knowledge that is definitely desirable, but is it really worth cutting Godfrey just so Roman Harper can play for one year?



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:49 AM

http://www.newsobser...-offseason.html



    “He had success as a corner in college, and when we first got him we felt he had some nickel ability,” Panthers fourth-year coach Ron Rivera said. “So looking at that and looking at what our needs were, we felt this was the best opportunity for him to get a chance to play for us.”

 

Translation: Godfrey wasn't great before the surgery, and now after surgery asking him to cover half of the football field as a safety is not realistic. He can cover a smaller amount at nickel, a spot he may be able to compete for.

 

Interesting. Still find it weird that he didn't even get a shot. He was the ONLY bright spot in our secondary going into the season last year.



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:50 AM

Is Roman Harper really better than Godfrey and Lester? He may have the veteran leadership and knowledge that is definitely desirable, but is it really worth cutting Godfrey just so Roman Harper can play for one year?

 

I don't think it would be hard for Harper to be better than Godfrey. Godfrey at his best was borderline terrible.



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:54 AM

Sounds like hes got a flat tire

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Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:58 AM

The nickel is an interesting position because the DC is saying "look we expect you to pass", but if they dont you have now sacrificed having AJ Klein on the field. How good is Klein at tackling running backs? A lot better than any DB on the team since he's roughly 30 to 50 lbs heavier. So the nickel sure as hell better to be able to pull his weight in the run game in case the O goes that way. Godfrey will need to be the kind of DB who can not only cover his small area but help in run support.

 

I think he can tackle well in the open field, I dont know what his cover skills look like right now though.


Edited by Razeyfingers, 14 August 2014 - 09:59 AM.


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Posted 14 August 2014 - 09:59 AM

Sounds like hes got a flat tire

 

Fairly accurate.

 

 

Here is a conclusion of a study that looks at long term effects of the achilles surgery....this is a 10 year follow up study. Keep in mind Godfrey is only in year one.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22512219

 

 

CONCLUSION:

Recreational athletes and non-athletes could return to their sports activities satisfactorily, while young competitive athletes found difficulties in certain actions, especially related to eversion.

 

and thats after 10 years.

 

 

And what is eversion?

 

Eversion is tilting your foot to that your pinky toe is higher than your big toe. As in, a quick lateral cut to the right or left. I imagine that is something pretty important to a defensive back.



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 10:00 AM

http://www.newsobser...-offseason.html



    “He had success as a corner in college, and when we first got him we felt he had some nickel ability,” Panthers fourth-year coach Ron Rivera said. “So looking at that and looking at what our needs were, we felt this was the best opportunity for him to get a chance to play for us.”

 

Translation: Godfrey wasn't great before the surgery, and now after surgery asking him to cover half of the football field as a safety is not realistic. He can cover a smaller amount at nickel, a spot he may be able to compete for.

 

 

best and only answer^



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 10:10 AM

Godfrey wasn't as bad as some folks think.  He often had to make up for terrible corner play and while it looked like his assignment because he was left out there chasing or tackling them, it was really someone else's blown assignment (read corner or linebacker). Plus he laid some heavy hits as a safety over the years. He is still recovering from the achilles injury and will need at least this year to fully recover.  

 

So he is likely worth keeping especially since it would cost 5,100,000 in dead cap money to cut him and only 3 million to keep him.  Next year his cap goes up to 7,100,000 and his dead cap hit next would lower to 3 million and in 2016 it is 6 million cap hit and only 1 million to cut him so really next year or the following year would be the best time to cut him.



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 10:10 AM

Fairly accurate.

 

 

Here is a conclusion of a study that looks at long term effects of the achilles surgery....this is a 10 year follow up study. Keep in mind Godfrey is only in year one.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22512219

 

 

and thats after 10 years.

 

 

And what is eversion?

 

Eversion is tilting your foot to that your pinky toe is higher than your big toe. As in, a quick lateral cut to the right or left. I imagine that is something pretty important to a defensive back.

 

They were all Asian, <insert kung fu fightin mutruckers joke here>

 

Wow it said "especially" not isolated to one or two things. He will especially have trouble with that AND likely some other limitation.
 



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Posted 14 August 2014 - 10:51 AM

I'd say they evaluated his performance and found it lacking. They offered him the chance to contribute where (and when) they thought he'd be best suited, taking the $ numbers into consideration. After the season they'll rate his performance and cost numbers like they do with everyone else, and go from there. I hope he does well but at this point I think he's hanging on by his fingertips.




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