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#76 Mr. Scot

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 01:39 PM

This thread is going places.


The toilet or Hell?

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 01:40 PM

don't you dare talk about my baby that way

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 01:41 PM

The toilet or Hell?

 

Can it be both?



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Posted 16 August 2014 - 01:45 PM

Hey Grits is back!!



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Posted 16 August 2014 - 02:15 PM

Newton made him look better than he was and a number of reports out of new england have suggested such.
 

Strange all the articles I am reading are saying he is making catches and becoming a "go to guy" for Brady.

 

http://bostonherald....lays_a_big_role

http://www.boston.co..._target_fo.html

http://blog.masslive...raining_82.html

http://www.miamihera...ally-brady.html



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Posted 16 August 2014 - 02:34 PM

Between Smith, LaFell and Ginn there was only one 100 yard game and 1 game with multiple TDs. None of the 3 caught more than 6 passes in a game. The leading receiver from last year is still on the roster. 



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Posted 16 August 2014 - 02:39 PM

Between Smith, LaFell and Ginn there was only one 100 yard game and 1 game with multiple TDs. None of the 3 caught more than 6 passes in a game. The leading receiver from last year is still on the roster. 

That is because we didn't pass the ball. We were bottom three in pass attempts per game yet top 4 in incompletions per game. 



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Posted 16 August 2014 - 02:47 PM

Can it be both?


Theology class never covered whether Hell has toilets.

But if it does, I could see this thread there.

Edited by Mr. Scot, 16 August 2014 - 02:48 PM.


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 03:02 PM

Strange all the articles I am reading are saying he is making catches and becoming a "go to guy" for Brady.

http://bostonherald....lays_a_big_role
http://www.boston.co..._target_fo.html
http://blog.masslive...raining_82.html
http://www.miamihera...ally-brady.html


To be fair all those articles are citing his progression over just the last few days.


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 03:05 PM

KB doesn't have to be very, very, very good for our WR core to be better. They were never that great. Shoot, our leading receiver wasnt even a WR! It isnt all about one guy in Carolina. We have some reliable vets and receiving TEs. Benjamin just needs to be servicable and call for some added attention. Just his presence can open up doors for other guys.

This year especially, his success may not be hugely reliant on statistics. It will also be because of his blocking and him pulling defensive players his way. He doesnt HAVE to be Megatron/AJ Green. Although i wouldnt be mad or even surprised if he contributes more than expected. Hopefully he goes off.

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 03:08 PM

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A WHOLE PIE!

It appears that Steve Smith might still be able to play...
 
http://espn.go.com/b...=espnapi_public
 
And it doesn't appear that Brandon Lafail is doing too badly either.
 
http://www.bostonglo...Me0L/story.html
 
Ted Ginn has battled injuries in Phoenix, but everyone knows what you are getting with him--- a pure speed guy---a burner with limitations, but a legit deep threat who can stretch the defense.
 
Benjamin is going to have to be very, very, very productive as a rookie in order for the new group of wideouts to be better than last years group of solid, if unspectacular players.
 
It might be sobering to remember that only 7 rookie receivers in the last 20 years have gone for more than 1000 yards in their first NFL campaign. And none of them are in Benjamin's mold as a player.

 
Smith will be a great #2 or slot for a few years. He will also slow down as the season goes on so his snaps need to be limited. Do I wish we kept him? Yes. Do I think it was stupid to pay him to leave? Yes. I think the front office screwed up in handling the situation and it cost the team. However, he was not a #1, and knowing he was on his way out he needed to step back and let the youth develop.
 
Brandon LaFail may not be doing too badly, but he is doing badly. Keep in mind he went from competing against the #1s to competing against the #2s and #3s and he still does not stand out. And his hands are still made of stone.
 
Ted Ginn was an excellent return man and that is where I hope he is not missed. You can bring in any speedster to do what Ginn did. If all you need is what Ginn brought, then sign a track athlete, have him master 2 or 3 routes on the route tree, and make him sit on the jugs machine every practice. He was inconsistent in the passing game. Both he and LaFail continued to run the wrong routes all the way into the postseason.
 
This illustrates the issues with LaFail and Ginn. (Olsen was correcting Ginn after the play)...
 
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A pass intended for Olsen. Ginn gets jammed and fails to clear out up the seam or over the middle with his speed. LaFail rounds off his crossing route shallow and then one hand pops the ball up to the defense which he has done several times. Because of their failure as receivers they crowd the area of the pass and LaFail becomes a 49ers defender allowing Willis to intercept the ball. Maybe convert LaFail to safety or corner. He will do a lot better. He is great at getting one hand on the ball.
 
Benjamin will not have to be "very very very productive" to replace this group when you actually look at what they produced on the field. Remember Olsen was the Panthers #1 producer in the air last season, and he remains on the team. If you factor in the production of Cotchery and Avant in place of Lafell and Ginn, then Benjamin needs to produce 65 receptions for 879 yards and 2 touchdowns on the season. I guarantee you he puts up more than 2 touchdowns by far.

 

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You think too highly of the Panthers receivers last season. We had a QB who broke rookie records, and people doubted Cam. Benjamin puts up 102 receptions for 1500 yards and 18 touchdowns and he will break rookie records too. Is that tough? Yes. Is it impossible? No. If Benjamin averages 6.4 receptions, 93.8 yards, and 1.1 touchdowns per game He takes home the rookie records. Benjamin, unlike other rookie receivers, will be placed in that position to achieve those numbers.
 
What is sobering is that the coaches know Benjamin is the #1 receiver entering the season as a rookie. Most rookies that start at receiver are in the #2 spot. What kind of production came from rookie receivers who were put into the #1 role? It is rare that you see coaches place a rookie receiver into the #1 role.

 

Since 2003:

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All of the rookie receivers placed into the #1 receiver position with a franchise QB have succeeded over the past 20 seasons. Of the 66 rookie receivers who have started 10 or more games in the #1 or #2 spot in the past 20 seasons more than 50% of them racked up 750+ yards on the season (More than Smith, LaFail, and Ginn last season). There have been 11 rookie receivers to start 16 games, and 6 were #1 receivers. Of those 6 receivers 5 went for 950+ yards on the season. Peter Warrick was the only one not to top 950+ yards during a rookie season that had the train wreck known as Akili Smith throwing to him.

 

So, when coaches anoint a rookie receiver, who is a match-up nightmare for defenses, as the #1 WR with a Pro Bowl franchise QB at the helm and a top pass catching TE to pair with him. I am not the least bit worried of the outcome on Sundays. The odds are in the Panthers favor.



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Posted 16 August 2014 - 03:10 PM

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 03:11 PM

So someone explain this logic to me. "Experts" say that our WR corps has seen a huge downgrade from last year, do they not realize that Cotchery had more TDs last season than our no 1 and no 2 WRs COMBINED? And that was on a 7-9 Steelers team

#89 Mr. Scot

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 03:16 PM

To be fair all those articles are citing his progression over just the last few days.


And all but one were written by Boston sources.

For perspective, a while back there was a story about a longtime Boston sports columnist losing his gig essentially for not doing a good enough job of kissing Belichick's ass.

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 03:17 PM

To be fair all those articles are citing his progression over just the last few days.


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Sure.

 

But I haven't seen any reports saying Newton made him look better than he is.

 

Post links if you have them.




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