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UNC vs Nova Championship Thread

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For once in my life I'd like to hear a UNC fan simply state the obvious:

"UNC was beaten by the better team."

Look, UNC had 2 second chance points, or some ridiculous stat and no fast break points. They got manhandled in the paint and instead of whining about it, do something. If you figure out early on the refs aren't going to call it, then use it to your advantage or lose. The fact UNC has a bigger lineup and allowed a smaller team to control the paint says a lot. 

UNC had 13 more rebounds because they are bigger and yet did nothing in the post. UNC shot 65% from 3 and actually took 15 more shots than 'Nova. But if you're only going to shoot 43% from the field, you're likely to lose, especially if the other guy is shooting over 55%.

UNC's bench had 6 points, 'Nova had 22.  

Villanova played a better game and deserved the win.

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nova should have been favored.  unc were favorites because of name recognition and the fact that they had played nobody (IU, maybe?) all the way to the title game.  

great game though.  jay wright had the perfect game plan.  he had his guards completely slow the game down and he was a master in manipulating jenkins' minutes (2 fouls with 16 mins left in first half) so that he was actually able to finish the game and do what he did.  

unc blew their wad in the first half, but should be given all the credit for displaying a lot of heart by inching back into the game late in the 2nd half.  

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Senior year sports just ended in the worst way possible. Goddamn. The only 3 teams I care about (Panthers, Tar Heel basketball/football) all ended with a title game loss.

 

The Panthers hurt, but we'll be back. This game hurts more because though the team will almost definitely be back, I will never be nearly as invested as I have been for the past 4 years.

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20 hours ago, Anybodyhome said:

For once in my life I'd like to hear a UNC fan simply state the obvious:

"UNC was beaten by the better team."

Look, UNC had 2 second chance points, or some ridiculous stat and no fast break points. They got manhandled in the paint and instead of whining about it, do something. If you figure out early on the refs aren't going to call it, then use it to your advantage or lose. The fact UNC has a bigger lineup and allowed a smaller team to control the paint says a lot. 

UNC had 13 more rebounds because they are bigger and yet did nothing in the post. UNC shot 65% from 3 and actually took 15 more shots than 'Nova. But if you're only going to shoot 43% from the field, you're likely to lose, especially if the other guy is shooting over 55%.

UNC's bench had 6 points, 'Nova had 22.  

Villanova played a better game and deserved the win.

I completely agree with much of your post. Fact is Jay Wright out coached Roy and took away our strengths.

The way he played ball pressure beyond the arc to prevent the ball from going into the paint is counter-intuitive but somehow it totally worked and he is to be commended for that. The Villanova players hit some miraculous clutch shots down the stretch and did deserve to win.

HOWEVER, The Tarheels players also showed a ton of heart to erase that 10 point deficit and hit some unbelievable shots to make it happen, so I would be remiss to not point out the fact that they ALSO deserved to win.

Look, we can all agree that game fixing DOES EXIST. We aren't talking about Leprechauns and Unicorns here, People have been caught doing it, there have been hearings and evidence and sentences etc. etc. so we do know without question it is a real thing.

So my question is this... In a game that features such obviously lopsided officiating, how can we automatically dismiss the possibility that a fixed game is what we just witnessed?

In my opinion it's tantamount to finding a corpse in the woods and deciding without question that "this person fell from a tree and died" when we know that murder is a real thing.

To chalk up the horribly one sided officiating to mere incompetence is naive when there is a history of game fixing and hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, and the fact that the potentiality of a game fixing scandal is never legitimately considered makes it that much more likely to occur since the risk for being caught is very low.

Also don't forget that with all the bad calls that went against UNC, the game was tied with 4.7 seconds to play. Just one of those calls going the other way and Marcus would have been holding that trophy. So yeah, they most definitely deserved to win too.

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3 hours ago, Carolina Pride 95 said:

I completely agree with much of your post. Fact is Jay Wright out coached Roy and took away our strengths.

The way he played ball pressure beyond the arc to prevent the ball from going into the paint is counter-intuitive but somehow it totally worked and he is to be commended for that. The Villanova players hit some miraculous clutch shots down the stretch and did deserve to win.

HOWEVER, The Tarheels players also showed a ton of heart to erase that 10 point deficit and hit some unbelievable shots to make it happen, so I would be remiss to not point out the fact that they ALSO deserved to win.

Look, we can all agree that game fixing DOES EXIST. We aren't talking about Leprechauns and Unicorns here, People have been caught doing it, there have been hearings and evidence and sentences etc. etc. so we do know without question it is a real thing.

So my question is this... In a game that features such obviously lopsided officiating, how can we automatically dismiss the possibility that a fixed game is what we just witnessed?

In my opinion it's tantamount to finding a corpse in the woods and deciding without question that "this person fell from a tree and died" when we know that murder is a real thing.

To chalk up the horribly one sided officiating to mere incompetence is naive when there is a history of game fixing and hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, and the fact that the potentiality of a game fixing scandal is never legitimately considered makes it that much more likely to occur since the risk for being caught is very low.

Also don't forget that with all the bad calls that went against UNC, the game was tied with 4.7 seconds to play. Just one of those calls going the other way and Marcus would have been holding that trophy. So yeah, they most definitely deserved to win too.

As someone else pointed out, if the officiating was "horribly one-sided" and  "obviously lop-sided" how did UNC end up getting double bonus a full 7 minutes before Villanova?

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The point at which the 10th team foul is committed is completely irrelevant. For arguments sake however, ESPN play by play has Villanova's 10th foul listed as being committed by Josh Hart with 4:42 remaining in the 2nd half.

At this point in the game play by play shows the Tarheel's with 8 team fouls. The 10th team foul on Carolina was committed by Jackson at the 1:52 mark, so your full minutes was actually more like just under 3 minutes.

If you didn't notice that Carolina got the short end of the stick as far as the officiating was concerned then you were either not paying attention or don't know much about basketball. I could list 15 points to illustrate my position on this, but time is a factor and I fear you might not be very receptive to changing your opinion.

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Both teams played a great game and both sides were deserving. Nova made their shots down the stretch and they deserved to win. I think the officiating was equally bad for both sides. Just so happens that a lot of the calls were even more crucially deflating and magnified for Carolina when you're trying to claw your way back in the game.

I would have to agree that Roy was out coached and Nova had the superior game plan. It was like the Heels expected to play the exact game style they've played all season and win and when Nova made poo tough for them on offense they had no answer. Marcus and Joel pretty much willed UNC back into the game.

With all of that said I still believe UNC was the best team this year. If Nova and Carolina play 10 times Carolina probably wins 7 or 8 of 'em. But at the end of the day all Nova had to do was be better on that one night. They were, and that's that.

This played out very similarly to Panthers losing to Denver.

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