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2016 losses recap.(Shula haters you have some explaining to do)

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His conservative bullshatt playcalls caused us alot of games like dumb plays like running up the middle with fozzy

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Watch every NFL game you're able to at least 5 per week then see for yourself the difference between good and bad calls and good and ball OCs.

Can't have this argument when all most of you do is watch the Panthers then turn the channel. You're comparing Shula to ...nothing at all.

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OP doesn't watch the games 

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13 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

It's easy for the Shula apologists to make claims like this because his is a subtle effect on the whole offense that handicaps it.  He's not out there fumbling balls or dropping passes himself, he just doesn't put our players in a very good position to make plays.  

His run game plan is often not bad, or even quite good in some cases.  His passing game plan is atrocious. Always has been. "Oh but our passing game put up x number of yards" or "we got x number of points".  That is the effect of our mv fuging p QB dragging this offense along.  There's not really much of a quantifiable stat you can use to prove or disprove that.  It's just one of those things you either see it, or you don't.  

Once in a while you'll have the SF playoff game a few years ago that was 4 straight runs up the middle against a great front 7 that was obviously having no effect and you can say "see? Shula is fuging dumb"  or flea flickers to Jericho freaking cotchery but more often than not it's just watching the flow of the game and noticing a pattern of ineptitude.  Other teams have mentioned it.  Wade Phillips all but came out and said "yea, their OC is a dumbass" after the super bowl.  By some accounts (I haven't seen the source quotes myself, so I won't testify to the veracity of the sentiment) Gettleman has seen it as well, but Ron has protected Shula.  This will always be a debate until we get rid of him and hopefully get a legit OC with the same or at least similar offensive talent.  Just like some people will always believe Cam is overrated and just a running QB and nothing will change their minds, some will always believe Shula is a competent OC. 

It couldn't be the passing game sucks because our receivers are bottom five as a group, right?  Sure Cam bailed us out in 2015 with a pretty good line but played badly in 2016 due to a horrible beat up line. And no Wade didn't call him a dumbass, the comment was we did the exact same think in the Superbowl we did the rest of the season that netted us 15 wins and an offense that scored over 30 points a game. Gee I wonder why we didn't.make major adjustments? And Gettleman has never blamed the offense or said he wanted Shula gone. One beat writer speculated about it and suddenly it is fact. Some people will blame Shula for everything regardless of the facts to the contrary.

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It's the frustration of calling timeouts because the play clock is running down way too often. It's a waste of a timeout and points to a lack of discipline and organization with getting the play called in time. And it happens all the time.

It's watching the two TE formation on 3rd and 7, with only 2 WRs both lined up outside. And 1 RB. And one TE plus RB stay in to block, one TE runs straight down the field 4 yards and turns around, and the WRs both run out 5 yards and cross or hitch. When we need 7 yards. And every single potential option to pick up the first is running their routes shorter than the line to gain. Makes zero sense.

It's the 3rd and short plays where we go 3 wide, 1 RB and one TE. And we need 2 yards. And cam is dropping back 7 steps while everyone runs fly routes 20 yards down field.

It's the amount of times I yell "WTF!?" at my tv during games because the play called on offense either A) makes no sense to the in-game scenario or B) puts the players in a position to fail or C) everyone from the announcers to the other teams players know what is coming or D) takes too long to get to the field from the box.

It's a combination of factors that point me to the belief that Shula needs to go. Why is Cam getting hit so often while in the pocket? Because the protection sucks. But also, no changes are made to the game plan. He is still dropping back 5-7 steps regularly with our poo protection, and therefore he's getting sacked/ pressured/having to scramble more often. Why continue to drop him back so far and run these extremely slow developing plays when there are other effective ways to move the ball down to field.

Also, it's the inconsistency. Some drives are really well called, while others are straight head scratchers. And, when the head coach comes out and says in the off-season that the offense needs to evolve, clearly the OC should be on the hot seat.

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8 minutes ago, Chardee MacDennis said:

It's the frustration of calling timeouts because the play clock is running down way too often. It's a waste of a timeout and points to a lack of discipline and organization with getting the play called in time. And it happens all the time.


 

 

I feel the exact same frustrations with the timeout management myself. One thing I am not clear on this, the communication device from the OC to the QB is cut off with 15 seconds left. To me, 15 seconds seems like plenty of time to get the playcalled and everyone lined up. 

Either way, whatever is causing the problem there needs to stop.

 

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I blame most of our losses on the huge injury bug that decimated our team, prevented us from having continuity, especially on the offensive line, and the overall inability of our WR's to get separation. 

no offense will thrive given those circumstances.

Shula has fielded a top 5 offense before, and I believe he'll do it again next year. 

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Shula has consistently shown a lack of situational awareness and inability/unwillingness to adapt in game.  why do you suppose so many games that seemed to be in hand, untimately went to the wire in 2015? Opposing coaches adjusted in game, Shula did not.

The 2015 season has been the exception under Shula, not the rule.  Just look at his results over his career.

Short fields due to turnover margin and a line that stayed intact for the entire season giving just enough time for the long pass plays to develop were what led to 15-1, not a high-powered offensive juggernaut. 

Redzone offense continues to be a problem because deep passes are off the table, only thing he can come up with is a hand off up the middle or Cam keeps it...

When defenses rush like its a jailbreak, there are no screens, draw plays, quick slants to keep them honest.  It's been a 15+ yard pass play, a hand off to Tolbert or an end around to Ginn (which wasn't generally a bad play due to Ginns speed).

Shula will be Ron's downfall.  The thing Ron needs most on his coaching staff is someone who supplements his biggest area of weakness, Shula doesn't give him that.

The players have responsibility for failure too.  Poor execution, injuries and lack of focus were all issues in 2016.  Coaches bear more of that responsibility.

If we are simply pointing to 2015 as the case for Shula, then we're missing an entire career of evidence that supports the belief that he is a below average coach and if you really take a hard look at 2015, his offense wasn't as responsible for the success as it first appears on paper.

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It started with the first damn game of the year in Denver. 

3rd and 1 at midfield in the 3rd...

We're up and moving the ball, easy QB sneak to pick up the 1st here right?

No, the moron calls a naked bootleg that Denver doesn't fall for and stops. We punt, Denver starts their comeback.

Shula and Gano share equal responsibility for this one. Good thing we took care of these type of problems this offseason... oh wait 

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I feel the exact same frustrations with the timeout management myself. One thing I am not clear on this, the communication device from the OC to the QB is cut off with 15 seconds left. To me, 15 seconds seems like plenty of time to get the playcalled and everyone lined up. 
Either way, whatever is causing the problem there needs to stop. 


The issue there, and you can see it by Cams reactions and facial expressions, is that Shula doesn't actually give Cam the play call until the last second. I've even seen Cam after calling a timeout yelling "get me the play. Hurry up and give it to me." In clear frustration.

15 seconds isn't all that much when you've got to call it in the huddle as quickly as possible, get up to the line, make sure everyone is set, and possibly be reading the defense for adjustments, sending a motion guy or 2, snap the ball, etc. Those plays should be flying in and done with 22 seconds left, so Cam has time to get it all done.



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