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2016 losses recap.(Shula haters you have some explaining to do)

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It's the frustration of calling timeouts because the play clock is running down way too often. It's a waste of a timeout and points to a lack of discipline and organization with getting the play called in time. And it happens all the time.

It's watching the two TE formation on 3rd and 7, with only 2 WRs both lined up outside. And 1 RB. And one TE plus RB stay in to block, one TE runs straight down the field 4 yards and turns around, and the WRs both run out 5 yards and cross or hitch. When we need 7 yards. And every single potential option to pick up the first is running their routes shorter than the line to gain. Makes zero sense.

It's the 3rd and short plays where we go 3 wide, 1 RB and one TE. And we need 2 yards. And cam is dropping back 7 steps while everyone runs fly routes 20 yards down field.

It's the amount of times I yell "WTF!?" at my tv during games because the play called on offense either A) makes no sense to the in-game scenario or B) puts the players in a position to fail or C) everyone from the announcers to the other teams players know what is coming or D) takes too long to get to the field from the box.

It's a combination of factors that point me to the belief that Shula needs to go. Why is Cam getting hit so often while in the pocket? Because the protection sucks. But also, no changes are made to the game plan. He is still dropping back 5-7 steps regularly with our poo protection, and therefore he's getting sacked/ pressured/having to scramble more often. Why continue to drop him back so far and run these extremely slow developing plays when there are other effective ways to move the ball down to field.

Also, it's the inconsistency. Some drives are really well called, while others are straight head scratchers. And, when the head coach comes out and says in the off-season that the offense needs to evolve, clearly the OC should be on the hot seat.

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8 minutes ago, Chardee MacDennis said:

It's the frustration of calling timeouts because the play clock is running down way too often. It's a waste of a timeout and points to a lack of discipline and organization with getting the play called in time. And it happens all the time.


 

 

I feel the exact same frustrations with the timeout management myself. One thing I am not clear on this, the communication device from the OC to the QB is cut off with 15 seconds left. To me, 15 seconds seems like plenty of time to get the playcalled and everyone lined up. 

Either way, whatever is causing the problem there needs to stop.

 

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I blame most of our losses on the huge injury bug that decimated our team, prevented us from having continuity, especially on the offensive line, and the overall inability of our WR's to get separation. 

no offense will thrive given those circumstances.

Shula has fielded a top 5 offense before, and I believe he'll do it again next year. 

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Shula has consistently shown a lack of situational awareness and inability/unwillingness to adapt in game.  why do you suppose so many games that seemed to be in hand, untimately went to the wire in 2015? Opposing coaches adjusted in game, Shula did not.

The 2015 season has been the exception under Shula, not the rule.  Just look at his results over his career.

Short fields due to turnover margin and a line that stayed intact for the entire season giving just enough time for the long pass plays to develop were what led to 15-1, not a high-powered offensive juggernaut. 

Redzone offense continues to be a problem because deep passes are off the table, only thing he can come up with is a hand off up the middle or Cam keeps it...

When defenses rush like its a jailbreak, there are no screens, draw plays, quick slants to keep them honest.  It's been a 15+ yard pass play, a hand off to Tolbert or an end around to Ginn (which wasn't generally a bad play due to Ginns speed).

Shula will be Ron's downfall.  The thing Ron needs most on his coaching staff is someone who supplements his biggest area of weakness, Shula doesn't give him that.

The players have responsibility for failure too.  Poor execution, injuries and lack of focus were all issues in 2016.  Coaches bear more of that responsibility.

If we are simply pointing to 2015 as the case for Shula, then we're missing an entire career of evidence that supports the belief that he is a below average coach and if you really take a hard look at 2015, his offense wasn't as responsible for the success as it first appears on paper.

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It started with the first damn game of the year in Denver. 

3rd and 1 at midfield in the 3rd...

We're up and moving the ball, easy QB sneak to pick up the 1st here right?

No, the moron calls a naked bootleg that Denver doesn't fall for and stops. We punt, Denver starts their comeback.

Shula and Gano share equal responsibility for this one. Good thing we took care of these type of problems this offseason... oh wait 

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I feel the exact same frustrations with the timeout management myself. One thing I am not clear on this, the communication device from the OC to the QB is cut off with 15 seconds left. To me, 15 seconds seems like plenty of time to get the playcalled and everyone lined up. 
Either way, whatever is causing the problem there needs to stop. 


The issue there, and you can see it by Cams reactions and facial expressions, is that Shula doesn't actually give Cam the play call until the last second. I've even seen Cam after calling a timeout yelling "get me the play. Hurry up and give it to me." In clear frustration.

15 seconds isn't all that much when you've got to call it in the huddle as quickly as possible, get up to the line, make sure everyone is set, and possibly be reading the defense for adjustments, sending a motion guy or 2, snap the ball, etc. Those plays should be flying in and done with 22 seconds left, so Cam has time to get it all done.



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I don't get why people are willing to settle for Shula. Don't you want better? Aren't you tired of the status quo? We seem to waste more timeouts on offense because of his lack of ability to pick a damn play. I'm tired of him at the helm of this offense.


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11 minutes ago, SCP said:

I don't get why people are willing to settle for Shula. Don't you want better? Aren't you tired of the status quo? We seem to waste more timeouts on offense because of his lack of ability to pick a damn play. I'm tired of him at the helm of this offense.


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If we fired him this offseason I'd be excited about the new offensive coordinator to see what he can do. However he's not horrible enough to have see people constantly bitch about him. The way people portray him is that no matter what we do including drafting someone like Fournette Shula is going to find a way to fug everything up for us. That's simply not true and even his biggest critics have to admit we are capable of having the number one offense in the league with Cam as his QB. 

Im cautiously optimistic about us this year even tho I'm not sold Gettleman has done enough yet. But with the draft still coming up and the possibility of landing more veteran help later in the offseason we may just get back to the promise land. But the season is a long way away and having to read people make the same tired complaints about a guy who isn't going anywhere offseason just gets annoying.

 

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Shula is the one that needs to explain why he sucks so bad and the Panthers need to explain how the offense will "evolve" with him continuing to call BS plays. The only way it will evolve is if Cam's earpiece in his helmet malfunctions every game and he calls his own plays.

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May have been mentioned in this thread, but I will always think back to the game this last season (sorry, mind blanking on the game), where the offense has the ball, in rhythm, with a lead....1:30 or so on the clock and Cam is waiting on the play call, wanting to go for the kill.

He gets the call, late, and it's a run. Cam literally yelled at the sideline, said some bad words, and barely gave a damn running the clock out before just walking off the field before the last play was even over. Whether that's a Ron call or not, I have and still think the players disagree with Shula...a lot. That's a problem. 

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2 hours ago, panther4life said:

I've always argued that Blaming Shula is the laziest excuse I have ever seen panther fans make. First 4 responses only strengthen my stance on that. I'm open for debate on the matter, I presented my case in favor of him,someone please show me how I am wrong. 

 

You wouldn't believe it.  It's actually sounding like a broken record.  I hate shula's play calling.  He's predictable. 

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2 hours ago, OldNorthPowell said:

Run up the middle, run up the middle, and then the classic 15 yard route plays.

 

 

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Don't forget the 5 plus seconds Cam has to hold the ball for the route to develop.

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