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Draft Analyst Ethan Young: S Jamal Adams Not Worth Even A First Rounder?

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3 hours ago, Saca312 said:

He argues Malik Hooker is the better overall safety:

 

Malik Hooker is better fit for the Panthers with Coleman and the LB corp. 

But again Fournete / OJ Howard > Hooker 

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Interesting you posted this, Ethan gives a lot of great insight and just won some up and coming draft analyst award too. He certainly made me rethink my opinion of adams

I'd still be fine with him but i really want obi in r2 or baker safety wise

LEONARD MOFO FOURNETTE @ 8

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2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think every NFL prospect is going to have more good film than bad. That's kind of a given.

lol right

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3 hours ago, YoungPanthers89 said:

Random analytics guy with 5000 followers says what

well yeah, thats a good thing. How many followers does Mel Kipper have and how good is he? theres a strong negative correlation between followers and knowledge 

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3 hours ago, YoungPanthers89 said:

Random analytics guy with 5000 followers says what

That random analytics guy just recently won the best scouting award from an event held by the NFL at the combine from what I believe. He knows his stuff.

After he predicted Bradberry to be a stud, I think he's quite credible in his reports.

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2 hours ago, Confined9991 said:

Thank god SalisburySean98 isn't our GM. We would be fuged

Yeah I bet you just know tons more than I do don't you?

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Malik Hooker is better fit for the Panthers with Coleman and the LB corp. 

But again Fournete / OJ Howard > Hooker 

My biggest concern with Hooker is he takes some of the worst angles I have ever seen a safety take in my life. I mean some of them are Sherrod Martin bad(or worse), he just got away with it in college because he is a really good athlete, that won't work in the NFL.

 

Now I will acknowledge Hooker has more upside than Adams but his floor is much lower. He is a boom/bust player where as Adams will likely be a starter in this league for a decade even if he never makes a probowl.

 

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3 hours ago, emhoward said:

I'm reevaluating Adams too, I just don't think he has pro bowl or all pro upside. What's his ceiling? An above average starter? Shouldn't we want more? His best pro comparison is Kam Chancellor. Kam is good, but I expect a players best case scenario to be better than that. 

Kam Chancellor?

Give me a pick at 8 that turns out as good as Kam and I would be a happy camper.

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I respect the dude.  He seems to have a decent feel for things these past few years.  

What I'm not grasping with the is the proportional take-off we're getting comparing Hooker to Adams if we're thinking tackling:ballhawking.  But that's probably not the best way to look at it.  

In general, safety is one of the positions slightly more difficult to judge if it's not your job to judge.  With the way games are filmed, they are the least televised of the positions the moment a QB drops back (also why the ballhawks shine).  

Adams' closing ability when he reads the play is insane but what I find is there to be a huge amount of unpredictability in SSs.  For example, Dion Bailey was a for sure 1st-3rd rounder back in his draft with no discernible off-field issues yet he was a UDFA and now a sitting FA.  On the other end, Keanu Neal was super hyped, then it cooled down, then picked back up again.

As a fan first and foremost, I'm not going to pretend I can really judge FS or SSs.  I really like Adams, Hooker, Baker, Obi, and here's my sleeper: Rayshawn Jenkins.

At either spot--I don't like the bad tacklers because I want versatility but if there's an average tackler that is a great ballhawk, then you're in mind for Hooker.  Justin Evans will be a starter too, but I don't think he ends up here.  

Just don't get sucked into a spot where you have a non-playmaking SS and overly rely on your centerfielder for major break-ups.  We learned this and now have Adams and Coleman, so rotationally, we're flexible with a pick which is awesome.

I'm personally on the Allen or Hooker hype train.    

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1 hour ago, Marguide said:

Kam Chancellor?

Give me a pick at 8 that turns out as good as Kam and I would be a happy camper.

Take Chancellor out of that Seattle defense though and I think he struggles. Earl Thomas over the top gives him a lot of freedom underneath and the CB on his side of the field? Richard Sherman.

He's an excellent fit in that defense, but I'm not so sure that success would translate elsewhere.

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1 hour ago, Marguide said:

Kam Chancellor?

Give me a pick at 8 that turns out as good as Kam and I would be a happy camper.

I was about to say the same thing..

When did being like Kam Chancellor become a bad thing??

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