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Cam Newton is still Elite.

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39 minutes ago, falconidae said:

Which doesn't change either of my points- those aren't elite numbers and Cam's going to have to really bump up his passing numbers in years 6-10 to keep up with the other big name QBs.

Being elite is not all about #s it's about making the players around you better which Cam does and winning the big games which Cam has done the only thing left is SB

Matty Ice needed all this talent before reaching SB on the other hand Cam took a subpar offense to SB we all know who the real elite QB is please son.

CAM > Matty Ice 24/7

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5 hours ago, panthers_fan_in_tx said:

"Still" elite? When was he elite before?  Not bagging him, but elite is a stretch.  I'll take him as good to real good.  

• First player in NFL history to have 10,000 passing yards and 2,000 rushing yards in first four seasons.

• Only player in NFL history to have at least 3,000 passing yards and 500 rushing yards in four consecutive seasons.

• Recorded the third most career touchdowns by a quarterback in first four NFL seasons with 115. Only Hall of Famer Dan Marino (144) and future Hall of Famer Peyton Manning (118) had more.

• Earned the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year in 2011, when he set a then NFL rookie record for passing yards with 4,051 and an NFL record for rushing touchdowns by a quarterback with 14.

Just a few little tidbits for ya.  Obviously doing something and being the only player to have performances this outstanding should atleast be in consideration with being "Elite" 

I mean for your logic hell Mark Sanchez should be elite because of the only player to record a butt fumble. (sarcasm)

Cam is doing things with players that i would say maybe 1-3 QBs could do with what hes working with.

Lets not paint a turd gold here, Cam has had crappy OL, has to lead team in rushing in most cases, his leading receiver is a TE, his OC is Shula for lords sake, has taken most punishment of any QB since stepping into the league, leading receivers on super run was Ted F-ing Ginn and Philly Brown (unemployed)

 

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12 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

I thought we were a run team with occasional  passing..We would have to change our style of offense.. all those QBs are on a pass first except russell wilson snd now iam not sure if they are turning into more of a passing team...We are not going to change so really can't  go off numbers alone he has to pass the eye test and based on what he has to work with..We know he is capable of putting up those numbers. So i would say yes he is aan elite qb..he is just not your traditional qb..He is not good on short passes but excellent on long passes, traditional are good on both. Can anybody run like him rodgers and wilson..Thats called a wash..now if he is not running then it drops his effectiveness and he would have to improve on his short throws..We are about there but for now i still say elite until injury is healed and he is back healthy.

No problem, did say he's a very good QB, just that those passing numbers can't be used to prove it.

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1 minute ago, falconidae said:

No problem, did say he's a very good QB, just that those passing numbers can't be used to prove it.

Being elite is not all about #s it's about making the players around you better which Cam does and winning the big games which Cam has done the only thing left is SB

Matty Ice needed all this talent before reaching SB on the other hand Cam took a subpar offense to SB we all know who the real elite QB is please son.

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55 minutes ago, sanjay_rajput said:

Being elite is not all about #s it's about making the players around you better which Cam does and winning the big games which Cam has done the only thing left is SB

Matty Ice needed all this talent before reaching SB on the other hand Cam took a subpar offense to SB we all know who the real elite QB is please son.

Never said elite was all about numbers.

Ryan does the same thing- he's protected a sub par defense and sub par Oline for years. And the only game Ryan hasn't won is the Super bowl.  Cam has always had a much better defense backing him up.

You might also want to look at the numbers from his last 5 playoff games vs. Newton's numbers from his last 5 playoff games.

All this talent? Aside from Julio, all the other skill position  players are 3rd and 4th rounders and  castoffs from other teams. If you claim you knew who Gabriel, Robinson, Hardy and Hooper were before last year, I' m going to politely call you on that. Sanu never did much in Cinn, he becomes a critical piece in ATL, Ryan has nothing to do with that?

They're very different QBs, both are very good. Ryan finally has a solid defense backing him, I'm going to enjoy the next few years.

 

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Players can be elite for a multitude of reasons.  Brady is 100% elite because of his passing. Brees the same. Aaron Rodgers is elite because of both his passing and his ability to extend plays with his legs.  Whatever Cam lacks in the passing department he definitely makes up for on the ground game.  To say Cam isn't elite purely based on passing numbers is ridiculous.

Like saying Deion Sanders isn't elite because he couldn't tackle like Ronnie Lott.  Or saying Steve Smith wasn't an elite receiver because he wasn't 6'3 like Michael Irvin. 

you can be elite in different abilities with the same ending result, all elite players help their team win games and the players around them better.

Cam took an average team with a poor OL, 2nd on team in rushing, did have Olsen (who is also elite) but teams 2nd, 3rd, and 4th receivers were Ted Ginn, Jericho Cotchery, and Philly freaking Brown to the SB.

 

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They did a great job of portraying the contrarian views towards one another. 

At least in this conversation, they know what's hot. 

I like all of them...but honestly I don't recognize homeboy on the left. My fault, I  should pay more attention. He repped Cam pretty good. 

Right now, we are at a point in history that one could argue Cam was more of an athlete or that he was a winner. ( he's always been a winner ... but on the biggest stage).

Ultimately,  time always tells the truth. 

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3 minutes ago, Fright said:

Lolololol

The Carolina Panthers fanbase ladies and gentlemen...

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2 minutes ago, Salisburysean98 said:

Can only see as far as the rose colored glasses will allow. 

I'm as annoyed as anyone right now, but it's all about perspective.

Our D is getting gashed, we're missing our top 2 receivers, our playcalling has not remotely helped, Cam is pressing, and our OL is inconsistent at best.

From top to bottom this team looks like they never actually showed up.

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2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I'm as annoyed as anyone right now, but it's all about perspective.

Our D is getting gashed, we're missing our top 2 receivers, our playcalling has not remotely helped, Cam is pressing, and our OL is inconsistent at best.

From top to bottom this team looks like they never actually showed up.

Cam isn't pressing. He's missed wide open options. He's got to get his act together or this season is toast. This is a horrible defense that we look like poo against and every INT appears to have a wide open WR right in front of his face. Pressing <> terrible decisions. 

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