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Lets get it on record: Guns or Human Lives?

Lets get it on record: Guns or Human Lives?  

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  1. 1. Im willing to significantly restrict access to firearms because Im tired of the mass shootings



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6 minutes ago, firefox1234 said:

With the Patriot Act i already know Homeland Security is out there with markers on anyone trying to make or buy supplies to make a homemade bomb but they obviously just see purchases of high amounts of ammunition/firearms and customization of semi-auto too automatic weapons as "another day in America" ill take my chances with bombs.....

You think ammonium nitrate and diesel are the only things to make powerful bombs out of?  I could come out of Home Depot in the morning with a cart load of mats that would devastate any "soft" target and not set off a single alert with DHS.

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... but home made bombs are a distraction.

 

The question on the table is which is more precious.  The second amendment or human lives?

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Just now, Inimicus said:

... but home made bombs are a distraction.

 

The question on the table is which is more precious.  Guns or human lives?

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The harsh reality is we are highly unlikely to witness any meaningful change on this issue within our lifetimes.

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4 minutes ago, ARSEN said:

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Youve said some things in this forum that I wont soon forgive you for but I cant disagree with you on this.

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Let's say legislation gets passed. 2nd amendment is reformed and laws look a lot like they do in present day Australia regarding gun control. A lot of people are happy and a lot of people are upset. The Federal government would then more than likely create a "buy back" or something of that nature operaration for gun owners to turn them in. Now there are more legal fire arms in this country than people. Hundreds of millions. Do we believe every gun is going to get turned in? I mean you are looking at a potentially extremely dangeous situation involving LEOs and potentially the military going door to door confiscating these weapons. Just food for thought for the potential future. 

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3 minutes ago, USDepartmentOfSavagery said:

Let's say legislation gets passed. 2nd amendment is reformed and laws look a lot like they do in present day Australia regarding gun control. A lot of people are happy and a lot of people are upset. The Federal government would then more than likely create a "buy back" or something of that nature operaration for gun owners to turn them in. Now there are more legal fire arms in this country than people. Hundreds of millions. Do we believe every gun is going to get turned in? I mean you are looking at a potentially extremely dangeous situation involving LEOs and potentially the military going door to door confiscating these weapons. Just food for thought for the potential future. 

I believe there are more law abiding gun owners than not.  And I believe that those good folk will not turn into criminals simply because the law of the land changes.  - Not quite the same but my father could drink when he was 18, so could I, but when the law changed to 21 for beer my old man kicked my ass if I came home drunk at 20. He thought the law was poo but he thought being a law abiding citizen was more important.

 

There will be people who hoard their guns.  Its unavoidable.  Just like there are folks who posses full autos that a great uncle or a grand father brought back from WWII.

 

But how many innocent lives does it take to change an antiquated right?  200? 500? 2500?

Whats the death toll have to be to recognize the 2nd needs repeal/significant change?

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55 minutes ago, Inimicus said:

I believe there are more law abiding gun owners than not.  And I believe that those good folk will not turn into criminals simply because the law of the land changes.  - Not quite the same but my father could drink when he was 18, so could I, but when the law changed to 21 for beer my old man kicked my ass if I came home drunk at 20. He thought the law was poo but he thought being a law abiding citizen was more important.

 

There will be people who hoard their guns.  Its unavoidable.  Just like there are folks who posses full autos that a great uncle or a grand father brought back from WWII.

 

But how many innocent lives does it take to change an antiquated right?  200? 500? 2500?

Whats the death toll have to be to recognize the 2nd needs repeal/significant change?

How much freedom are you willing to give up.  It is a slippery slope.  First let's say it is the fully automatics which imo no one should have. Then next is semi-automatics next would be the pistols. You start tearing apart certain segments of the constitution by say you have only limited right then it makes it a worthless document.  Full repeal of a amendment withstanding. 

 

Btw home made bombs isn't a distraction. If someone wants to do harm on a major scale they will find a way even without guns. 

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12 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

How much freedom are you willing to give up.  It is a slippery slope.  First let's say it is the fully automatics which imo no one should have. Then next is semi-automatics next would be the pistols. You start tearing apart certain segments of the constitution by say you have only limited right then it makes it a worthless document.  Full repeal of a amendment withstanding. 

 

Btw home made bombs isn't a distraction. If someone wants to do harm on a major scale they will find a way even without guns. 

In the Middle East, explosives are more effective than guns BUT they are using old military rockets and etc.  We do not have that in US.

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i think less than a quarter of gun owners would turn in guns if they became illegal. i wouldn't.

but that's also a strawman because nobody is really asking to make all guns illegal.

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26 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

How much freedom are you willing to give up.  It is a slippery slope.  First let's say it is the fully automatics which imo no one should have. Then next is semi-automatics next would be the pistols. You start tearing apart certain segments of the constitution by say you have only limited right then it makes it a worthless document.  Full repeal of a amendment withstanding. 

 

Btw home made bombs isn't a distraction. If someone wants to do harm on a major scale they will find a way even without guns. 

How much freedom?

Lets see...

Id give up:

  • Full & semi auto
  • carbines
  • handguns
  • Calibers over .380 and shot size > 08
  • Ammo capacity > 3 rounds (magazines/wheel guns)
  • cost per round < $2.50
  • Unlicensed ownership of long guns and shotguns (I know that they are technically the same)

I dont expect youll agree with any(many) of those restrictions but Im done claiming that my hobby is so dear and essential to American democracy that we have to accept the kind of tragedies we endured last night.

 

That said barring a change in the laws Im buying a .556 Styer AUG when my year end bonus comes through.

But Id happily give that up to avoid a single innocent being cut down by an idiot asshole with a gun.

 

 

And yes DIY bombs are the exact same distraction as cars.  How many people died at the Boston Marathon? 3...

 

59+ dead in LV...

 

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Beyond home defense, and even that is questionable considering statistics involving home shootings, I just don't understand the desire to own multiple firearms even as a hobby. These are weapons created for the sole purpose of ending life. That isn't a hobby. The hobby excuse is just a cheap line from Americans looking for something to feed their own violent tendencies. 

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