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Why The Electoral College Ruins Democracy

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7 hours ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

 

 

Tens of millions of voters (like republicans in California or Dems in Texas) are for all intents and purposes irrelevant.  Most states (like California and Texas) are predictably red or blue, elections are determined by a handful of states rather than the nation at large.  The USA has one of the lowest rates of voter participation of any nation when it comes to selecting its leader.  That is in large part to an electoral system that promotes voter apathy.

 

This would also lead to a more tangible result for Independents. People scream for another party, this would actually make them more relevant on election day.

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1 hour ago, firefox1234 said:

As mentioned previously it gives low populated states a voice in elections, and in the end of the day a States electoral count is determined by population so it’s not like they get a significant advantage. The ones with the most electorals are still in costal high populated states. The electoral issue is just a cover for the real issue which is Gerrymandering in my opinion.

why should they have a disproportionately loud voice compared to everyone else? why should someone have a louder voice because of where they live? the electoral votes are determined by population but they are heavily skewed.

Charlotte has a higher population than Tampa Bay, should the Bucs touchdowns count 14 points instead of 6?

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13 minutes ago, rodeo said:

why should they have a disproportionately loud voice compared to everyone else? why should someone have a louder voice because of where they live? the electoral votes are determined by population but they are heavily skewed.

Charlotte has a higher population than Tampa Bay, should the Bucs touchdowns count 14 points instead of 6?

Yeah but they would still lose.

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4 hours ago, rodeo said:

take states entirely out of the equation. the states shouldn't be voting for anything. the people should.

This.  Time to end an antiquated electoral system devised to perpetuate slavery.

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9 hours ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Every other elected office in this nation is determined by popular vote and the POTUS should be no different.  To argue that it is better that those in the minority should hold sway over the majority turns the whole purpose of having elections on its head. 

 

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11 hours ago, rodeo said:

why should they have a disproportionately loud voice compared to everyone else? why should someone have a louder voice because of where they live? the electoral votes are determined by population but they are heavily skewed.

Charlotte has a higher population than Tampa Bay, should the Bucs touchdowns count 14 points instead of 6?

Because it's the United States of America, not the United Counties of America where independent states bound together to have a common government so long as the INDIVIDUAL states still had their own right to govern a be heard.

This whole butt hurt is over winning and losing. If Hillary had won, and in the same fashion this argument would be reversed.

republicans and democrats both as a party and as a people are too mixed up in butt hurt.

respect the institution and the constitution that created it.

otherwise we are just Spain, France or any other country on the planet. Not the States.

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8 hours ago, JARROD said:

Because it's the United States of America, not the United Counties of America where independent states bound together to have a common government so long as the INDIVIDUAL states still had their own right to govern a be heard.

This whole butt hurt is over winning and losing. If Hillary had won, and in the same fashion this argument would be reversed.

republicans and democrats both as a party and as a people are too mixed up in butt hurt.

respect the institution and the constitution that created it.

otherwise we are just Spain, France or any other country on the planet. Not the States.

respect the broken, oppressive systems just because they're the system and we need to respect it?

you sound like a confederate.

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7 minutes ago, rodeo said:

respect the broken, oppressive systems just because they're the system and we need to respect it?

you sound like a confederate.

Born in Charlotte not a transplant. 

Oppressive?

 Did anybody put you in a breadline? Did you get to vote? Do you own firearms? What the hell are you talking about? 

I voted for Hillary and I still don't say that

 Broken? We have the richest and most powerful country on the planet. Our country uses 42% of the worlds resources. By 2050 we will need three Earths just to supply the United States with power and food.

 So how is being here oppressive? You have it better than anybody. Trust me I've been there

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Just now, JARROD said:

Born in Charlotte not a transplant. 

Oppressive?

 Did anybody put you in a breadline? Did you get to vote? Do you own firearms? What the hell are you talking about? 

I voted for Hillary and I still don't say that

the majority of the country is having their vote oppressed. voting is arguably America's most important institution, and the current broken system was not designed to handle the population we have now, and it has been made completely outdated by modern technology.

your argument amounts to insisting we keep dirt roads instead of creating highways because they had dirt roads when the FOUNDING FATHERS were alive and it's how they wanted it.

there are better systems that are more representative. it's time to switch to one.

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5 minutes ago, rodeo said:

the majority of the country is having their vote oppressed. voting is arguably America's most important institution, and the current broken system was not designed to handle the population we have now, and it has been made completely outdated by modern technology.

your argument amounts to insisting we keep dirt roads instead of creating highways because they had dirt roads when the FOUNDING FATHERS were alive and it's how they wanted it.

there are better systems that are more representative. it's time to switch to one.

 On the contrary, the system makes individual votes matter more than what you want. The 2000 election came down to 612 votes in Florida. The 2004 election came down to 1028 votes in Florida. 

 Under your system when it's positive or -1,000,000 votes or more how does your single vote count? 

What you're saying makes no sense

 In the founding fathers wanted it to work this way except for George Washington who hated political parties and said they would be the downfall of the country. 

In your case that would be true

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 If we went to a simple majority, votes in North Carolina in most states wouldn't matter at all. All the campaigning and all the money would go to California and New York. The rest of the states we get very little funding and go depressed. 

 That's what happens in a lot of other countries that are so called democracies. Their big cities get all the money in the country they get nothing. 

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