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On ‎11‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 11:00 AM, cookinwithgas said:

how can you hate Rogue One? What is there to hate in it?

The lead actors are weak. I liked it ok, but I think if they had cast it with better actors who actually had a presence I would have enjoyed it more.  For example, in TFA, Daisy Ridley's performance of Rey just exuded inner strength and power and you could sense that she was someone to be reckoned with.  The female lead in RO (I can't remember her name right now) just didn't project any of that.  Same goes for the lead actor.  I think both would have been ok in supporting roles, but I think they were miscast as the leads.   

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That is a totally fair assessment. The pace of the movie limited a lot of possible character stuff, but Jyn could have been fleshed out more, and the rest of the cast was obviously Disney Casting; famous Chinese martial arts guy, Mexican leading man, nerd fan favorite was the robot voice, etc. I thought that the Mexican guy actually did a good job. I HATED Forrest Whitaker. He breaks the fourth wall whenever he is on screen to me for some reason. And I couldn't understand him.

Blue Leader and that door gunner were the best though.

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Thats just crazy talk, I present Ep 1,2 and 3 as evidence. The Star Wars Holiday Special was not a movie, and the Ewok TV movie was the worst Star Wars movie.

The SWHS came out when I was a freshman in high school and I had to decide to stay home and watch it or go to the weekly HS dance - went to the dance thinking that the special was going to be on every year like Rudolph, and this was before VCRs were mainstream, so I didn't get to see it until a couple of years later when a friend had a VHS of it. Oh it was awful watching Chewies grandpa get all excited for Diahann Carroll.

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Rogue One is made immensely better by reading the companion novel 'Catalyst'. Knowing the back story of Galen Erso and Orson Krennic helped enhance my enjoyment of the movie.

That being said you shouldn't have to read a novel for character development for a movie. The pacing and lack of shallow characters hurt, but I still think it's a good movie. If all the future stand alone movies can be as good as Rogue One or better I'll be happy.

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7 hours ago, cookinwithgas said:

Thats just crazy talk, I present Ep 1,2 and 3 as evidence. The Star Wars Holiday Special was not a movie, and the Ewok TV movie was the worst Star Wars movie.

The SWHS came out when I was a freshman in high school and I had to decide to stay home and watch it or go to the weekly HS dance - went to the dance thinking that the special was going to be on every year like Rudolph, and this was before VCRs were mainstream, so I didn't get to see it until a couple of years later when a friend had a VHS of it. Oh it was awful watching Chewies grandpa get all excited for Diahann Carroll.

I honestly liked Ep 1,2, and 3 more than Rogue One.   At least I could stay awake watching any of those.  Only reason I've seen all of Rogue One is because I watched it several times starting at the last place I remembered.  Yeah its an unpopular opinion, but I hated Rogue One.  

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I really like hearing all these opinions as they are well thought out and I am really just a fanboy, so Rogue One was the Star Wars movie I had always dreamed about. Seeing all the old school X and Y Wings was a geek dream come true for me so I can't be really objective about it. I liked that they had the force sensitive guy that didn't fall into any bad archetypes like he goes to the dark side at a bad moment, or hes a crazy wanna be Jedi - being a blind ass kicker was a great idea even though the character was going to be Chinese for marketing/showing in China reasons. Although the actress playing Jyn Erso wasn't that great in the role, the idea of the character and her arc were a good action hero setup. The robot made no sense whatsoever but it stole the show from the flesh and blood actors. I was fascinated by the digital Tarkin, and thought that while it was clear Leia was CGI, part of that comes from the fact that you know its a CGI Carrie Fisher, and I came to appreciate the digital Leia as a real labor for many artists. The Star Destroyer collision and the culmination of the storylines was some really good editing I thought. And the Vader sequence at the end just gets better every time I see it.

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I really hope that the characters in Star Wars Battlefront 2 story mode are not the parents of Rey that would be a huge let down. The two main characters are defected storm troopers who join the rebelion and become close to luke and Leah and have a daughter on Jakku. The father is named Del and it just happens that the publishing company is Del Rey for the books. Del is with Luke when he discovers a compass which is used to make the map in the force awakens. 

I think that would be a let down if this is gonna be how it goes. 

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You people are crazy.   Rogue One is EASILY the second best Star Wars movie after Empire, those are the only two great movies.    Phantom was meh, Clone was OK, Revenge of Sith was pretty good, New Hope was good, Jedi was a letdown and Force Awakens is basically New Hope rehashed but still mostly good.    Rogue One was like the only movie where stakes felt real and mattered.  

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