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Why Are We Still Missing A Deep Shot Passing Game?

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simply put we do not have a consistent deep threat, we took some shits deep but overthrows or lack of separation has been an issue.

Threw one to clay last sunday but he wasn't in any position to make a play on the ball, our guys aren't getting behind the defense. 

but to there defense when they do get behind the defense the ball is over thrown.

hoping more reps fixes this issue 

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6 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

simply put we do not have a consistent deep threat, we took some shits deep but overthrows or lack of separation has been an issue.

Threw one to clay last sunday but he wasn't in any position to make a play on the ball, our guys aren't getting behind the defense. 

but to there defense when they do get behind the defense the ball is over thrown.

hoping more reps fixes this issue 

Hahah. Had to

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It is the lack of a running game. 

 

Deep passes happen when you catch safeties flat-footed because they are thinking about their run fits.  

Sometimes, it is a chicken and egg thing.  Run game also opens up when the safties bail and are worried about getting beat deep.  But, I'd mostly say its the run game issues.  

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Cause we don’t have a deep threat, plain and simple 

 

Who ever told you Samuel was a deep threat just cause he ran a 4.3 is lying to you. Samuel caught maybe 2 legit deep passes in his entire career at OSU.

 

We need Byrd back.

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i thought the plan was to move away from that. when we did it, we weren't doing it well (at least this year and a lot of last).

we were supposed to be moving from a low percentage passing game to a higher one and i think we kind of started doing that more consistently.

run game got some traction this week, whether it's sustainable is something we'll have to wait and see on, but if it is then we might see some deeper stuff open up but i think the evolution is taking hold a little.

less big plays and more "just move the chains" plays.

just an idea...

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2 hours ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

It's not 100%, it doesn't take long for speedsters to get down feild. Maybe with KB and Funch it took a while. Usually with a go Cam and the receiver get the ball out at the end of his drop back. 

That is assuming they have faith in the OL to give Cam enough time for a 5 or 7 step drop back, and survey the field to make sure the WR has actually beaten his man deep, before throwing it and hopefully not getting hit as he throws or the ball batted by a DL. I've seen Cam more often than not be under duress at the ends of his drop backs where he can't even set his feet and instead is forced to step up, to the side, or spin out of a sack. 

Just not confident the OL can protect long enough when defenses bring any kind of pressure. 

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2 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    IMO, the lack of chemistry is the biggest issue. I mean, how many reps does he have with Clay, and he got the only deep pass I remember from Sun.. The same with Samuel. When the chemistry starts to click, maybe the deeper throws will come.

Yeah, with Benji traded and Olsen on IR, Cam only targeted 6 players on Sunday and only 3 of them made catches!!

I've just gone back and reviewed all games since Cam arrived in 2011. Only one other time did he have fewer than 5 players catching passes - our playoff loss to San Fran in 2013, when 4 players recorded catches.

3 players making catches is just shockingly low... Definitely suggests Chemistry is not quite there with some of the new guys.

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Go back and watch any series on offense and at least 1 time you will see Kalil or Williams get absolutely destroyed by the pass rush on the edge, as well as a ton of pressure right up the middle on Larsen or Norwell, or a missed protection assignment and Turner is trying to block 2 guys.

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3 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Dang, I hadn't thought of that. But, I also hope that it isn't true. If his shoulder is still sore. He is hiding it well. But then again, IMO, his throwing motion looks different this year. Is that me? Or does anyone else see that?

His throwing motion does look different to me. I thought I was going crazy

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I wonder if our offense is changing by week to week into whatever they're trying to do. We only had 1 deep throw to Clay last week. KB said he felt the offense going into a different direction. Maybe the lack of run game is hurting the passing game. Maybe Shula does have something he's trying to integrate that could work. 

I also had to add this, but somebody said Stew kills this team momentum every time he touches the ball and it's true, look at this

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Stew for some reason didn't follow the blockers and there was a hole that opened between 79 and 68 but as you can see by his lack of quickness on that cutback, I don't see the burst that Stew could have hit it fast enough

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1 hour ago, rayzor said:

i thought the plan was to move away from that. when we did it, we weren't doing it well (at least this year and a lot of last).

we were supposed to be moving from a low percentage passing game to a higher one and i think we kind of started doing that more consistently.

run game got some traction this week, whether it's sustainable is something we'll have to wait and see on, but if it is then we might see some deeper stuff open up but i think the evolution is taking hold a little.

less big plays and more "just move the chains" plays.

just an idea...

Agree. It seems the gripe morphed from why we only go deep to why we never go deep in the blink of a eye 

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