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Why Are We Still Missing A Deep Shot Passing Game?

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I can imagine some Panthers fans, if you can call them that, watching a game where our offense is struggling and just reacting "BORING pass the ball I want bombs! I'm done with this! *click*"

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1 hour ago, Peppers90 NC said:

We do, but we dont throw to them. Shepard is often open more times than not. Cam has become a 2 read guy, with his second read usually to CMC as the checkdown.

 

    I just don't think it is as simple as all that. QBs don't read the entire field, they usually only read the half of field the routes are called for. So if the routes are on the left, Cam won't see the guys on the right. 

 

    Unless he leaves the pocket, or gets an inordinate amount of time. Cam just does not have the time for all that. And almost no QB does.

 

    Also, you should take into account the comfort level Cam has with his WRs. He is still learning Samuel, and Shep. Once Cam is more comfortable, he will be more willing to go their way.

 

    There are way to many variables to just say; "Cam has become a 2 read QB."

 

    

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20 hours ago, beastson said:

I wonder if our offense is changing by week to week into whatever they're trying to do. We only had 1 deep throw to Clay last week. KB said he felt the offense going into a different direction. Maybe the lack of run game is hurting the passing game. Maybe Shula does have something he's trying to integrate that could work. 

I also had to add this, but somebody said Stew kills this team momentum every time he touches the ball and it's true, look at this

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Stew for some reason didn't follow the blockers and there was a hole that opened between 79 and 68 but as you can see by his lack of quickness on that cutback, I don't see the burst that Stew could have hit it fast enough

And yet Stewart running the ball consistently to the right is what set up McCaffrey's TD run so beautifully. I don't think I've seen an entire Defense bite on a fake like that in a very long time. You just can't pick out one play to complain about without seeing how it fits in the whole scheme.

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3 minutes ago, GRWatcher said:

And yet Stewart running the ball consistently to the right is what set up McCaffrey's TD run so beautifully. I don't think I've seen an entire Defense bite on a fake like that in a very long time. You just can't pick out one play to complain about without seeing how it fits in the whole scheme.

Stew runs has been consistently bad all season

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This isn't Madden where the computer has all the plays possible and you just click buttons to have your players perform. I said last week after the KB trade that no one should expect to see major changes and I was right. Shula had 2 days to adjust, the WRs had 2 days to adjust, Cam had 2 days to adjust. Maybe a new play here and there (McCaffrey's TD was a beaut) but not big changes. And downfield passes are a big change for everyone. Chemistry and trust, especially with a rookie and a WR new to the team, along with blocking and route running can't be picked up in 2 days. It's more than simply an increase of snaps played. I think we'll see more creativity and long throws Monday night. Something needs to keep Suh off Cam lol.

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3 hours ago, GRWatcher said:

And yet Stewart running the ball consistently to the right is what set up McCaffrey's TD run so beautifully. I don't think I've seen an entire Defense bite on a fake like that in a very long time. You just can't pick out one play to complain about without seeing how it fits in the whole scheme.

That wasn’t Stewart, that was Cam who took up the two edge defenders

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20 hours ago, Snake said:

D. Jax probably would have came here for less. Would have been the first time in his career he got a legit QB. I honestly don't think Dave was allowed to play FA. JR just brought back a bunch of old Panthers and Ryans brother. It's really hard to figure out what was Dave and what was JR this year. I still say Dave's biggest blunder was how he handled Josh Norman. That was 100% Dave. 

I think Djax regrets going to TB 

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30 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

That wasn’t Stewart, that was Cam who took up the two edge defenders

Of course it wasn't all on one player. The line and Cam had to sell it too. But Stewart's previous runs to the right had set this up. The edge defenders were, yes, probably spying on Cam but they were no where near him, yards away, so I don't think they knew he still had the ball. No one charged Cam. McCaffrey goes out left, downfield and there is nobody anywhere near him, no CB, no Safety, no LB, no DE. NOBODY. It was a beautifully called and executed play.

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1 hour ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

I think Djax regrets going to TB 

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I have no doubt he would have taken less to come here. We didn't even reach out. But damn Tampa has some good WRs to suck so bad. 

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1. The shoulder - Not convinced it's 100%. Yes, he can still do the intermediates but that elite effortless deep throws like below have been absent:

https://youtu.be/1DT-JEsqzmo

2. Rust - Related to the shoulder. Cam's the type of quarterback that needs to get into a rhythm and missing most of training camp and limited practice raps has made him look at times like it's preseason when he's been historically bad.

3. Receivers - Losing Ted Ginn hurts and it's a decision I did not agree with from the start. Right now, Cam only has Funchess and Dickson as familiar targets from last season. Samuel doesn't have Ted Ginn speed while the one player that does went down. 

4. Bad habits - This is just my personal observation from last year that has carried over into this season but I just have this nagging feeling that Cam releases his deep throws too late nowadays. When I look at his 2015 campaign, it's as though he's not waiting as long to heave it. Today, I cringe if Cam goes deep if it's more than five seconds after the snap. 

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49 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

1. The shoulder - Not convinced it's 100%. Yes, he can still do the intermediates but that elite effortless deep throws like below have been absent:

https://youtu.be/1DT-JEsqzmo

2. Rust - Related to the shoulder. Cam's the type of quarterback that needs to get into a rhythm and missing most of training camp and limited practice raps has made him look at times like it's preseason when he's been historically bad.

3. Receivers - Losing Ted Ginn hurts and it's a decision I did not agree with from the start. Right now, Cam only has Funchess and Dickson as familiar targets from last season. Samuel doesn't have Ted Ginn speed while the one player that does went down. 

4. Bad habits - This is just my personal observation from last year that has carried over into this season but I just have this nagging feeling that Cam releases his deep throws too late nowadays. When I look at his 2015 campaign, it's as though he's not waiting as long to heave it. Today, I cringe if Cam goes deep if it's more than five seconds after the snap. 

I've been saying his deep throws have been inaccurate bc of the shoulder since game 3. I'm glad someone else agrees. It's also why I think the box was stacked so much bc he took so long to do a deep bomb. 

Also the I think 5 relates to 4 bc of trust. Trust the guy will be where he puts it. Or that they know how to overcompensate like Ginn was very good at doing. They knew each other and that's why Ginn did so well here.

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18 hours ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

I've been saying his deep throws have been inaccurate bc of the shoulder since game 3. I'm glad someone else agrees. It's also why I think the box was stacked so much bc he took so long to do a deep bomb. 

Also the I think 5 relates to 4 bc of trust. Trust the guy will be where he puts it. Or that they know how to overcompensate like Ginn was very good at doing. They knew each other and that's why Ginn did so well here.

Trust is certainly part of the equation. My concern is that at least from what I perceive, his misses are more underthrows than overthrows. 

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