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Is Football Dying? (nothing to do with ratings or over saturation)

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2 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Go back to leather helmets. 

 

Concussion problem solved immediately. 

 

Seriously, go watch a rugby match. Those guys tackle with their head up every time. Wrap up, proper technique, NEVER lead with their own head. Result: Much fewer concussions. 

Seacocks are trained to do rugby style tackles

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I don’t see it completely dying out, but it’s losing its hold on the #1 spot and more and more kids are choosing other sports. Both my girl and I have decided that if and when we have a son, he won’t be playing, as I’m going to steer him to basketball & baseball.

This CTE stuff is scary. You have that, plus other freak injuries that lead to paralysis and limb loss. I think we’ll pass on that. I find myself losing interest in the sport all together, and haven’t watched a full game all year, completely missing 3 games. I honestly think I’m about done with the sport.

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bring back Mark Kelso's ProCap.  Foam padding that covers the outside of the helmet and was rumored to reduce impact force by as much as a third.

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A lot of the top athletes coming up will start to gravitate toward MMA and hopefully soccer. If the Antonio Browns and Ted Ginns of the world had focused on soccer from middle school on then the US would be one of the top soccer countries in the world.

But we treat soccer completely backward from the rest of the world, where it's available to everyone who can kick a 1 dollar soccer ball in any alley of any class in the world. In the US it tends to be upper class oriented, where you have to join an expensive team and buy hundreds of dollars in equipment. That would have to change.

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6 minutes ago, rodeo said:

A lot of the top athletes coming up will start to gravitate toward MMA and hopefully soccer. If the Antonio Browns and Ted Ginns of the world had focused on soccer from middle school on then the US would be one of the top soccer countries in the world.

But we treat soccer completely backward from the rest of the world, where it's available to everyone who can kick a 1 dollar soccer ball in any alley of any class in the world. In the US it tends to be upper class oriented, where you have to join an expensive team and buy hundreds of dollars in equipment. That would have to change.

Never understood this either, a bunch of elites have cornered youth soccer on the local level and no one has done anything about it....

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2 hours ago, Zaximus said:

Yes, it is.    It's a combo of a lot of things.     It's the CTE stuff.     It's the fact that CTE is even worse in young people so parents are not letting their young kids play it now.    If I had a young child, I would probably not let them play.      It's also the over-saturation, it's on too many days, etc.    The biggest thing I think, at least right now, is the quality of the league is terrible.     The NFL has tried so hard to push games in certain directions (another discussion) that they've destroyed the game with terrible officiating.    They keep bringing back the SAME bad officials, so you know something is going on.     People are just tired of the bad product, simple as that.    Eventually the CTE thing will be the biggest reason because without people playing it at a young age, they won't move into it.

I believe in 10-15 years baseball will take over as the number one sport, it's on the up and they are doing proactive things at making the game better and higher quality.    It also feels less about "the money" than football which I think turns people off.

Also, e-sports are going to continue booming and will be taking up people's spectator time in the future.  

I’d rather watch televised chess than baseball

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39 minutes ago, Inimicus said:

bring back Mark Kelso's ProCap.  Foam padding that covers the outside of the helmet and was rumored to reduce impact force by as much as a third.

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Ah, the ol’ penis tip helmet. I think players didn’t like the way they looked, but whatever works. 

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My son has shown zero interest in football.  I try to get him to watch the games, forget it.  He loves Cam Newton, and loves watching his highlights, but he's not at all interested in the games.  Soccer, he's completely into it.  He will watch a soccer game in utter silence and stillness for long segments of time, only broken up by commercials.  Then again, he's five.

Football will die because more people are going to keep their kids from playing due to the injury risk.  What can be done?  It's nearly impossible to change the rules, even harder to change player behavior, so how will "football" in general be able to make the game safer?

Look at Luke Keuchly, last season when he left a game weeping, that was a pretty polarizing shot.  There were several media outlets that said he should retire.  Then Jonathan Jones wrote an interesting article (https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/17/luke-kuechly-concussion-carolina-panthers) and here comes the most interesting doctor's response I've seen:

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Dr. Robert Stern, a neuroscientist and the Director of Clinical Research for Boston University’s Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) Center, told me on Friday, that concussions by themselves “are not that awful.” He’s quick to point out that he’s not a concussion specialist but an expert on the neurodegenerative disease known as CTE.

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tern, speaking from from Washington, D.C., following a congressional meeting on the long-term effects of football hits, told me concussions themselves are manageable if treated properly, if the person is allowed enough time to recover fully and if there isn’t continued stress on the brain.

So what I read from his comments is that the jury is still out about the nature and relationship between number of concussions and brain damage.  But from a parent's perspective, it's already done.  I hope he's right for Luke's sake, the rest in-between concussions is lessening his eventual brain damage (doesn't that make you sick?).

But talking to my son's friends, many of them want nothing to do with football for their sons.  One response from "that parent" (you know, the one you always roll your eyes too because they are super annoying) was that it was too competitive, and that her son couldn't keep up with the more aggressive and driven kids.  Makes me ill in another way...  But some parents in my experience don't want their children growing up playing football because it's competitive and is dangerous.

Honestly, it's an easy movement to get in, and you'll see a lot of parents who do so.  It's easy to look like a "caring parent" like this.  Sad, but true.

It's very possible the NFL goes away.

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7 minutes ago, d-dave said:

My son has shown zero interest in football.  I try to get him to watch the games, forget it.  He loves Cam Newton, and loves watching his highlights, but he's not at all interested in the games.  Soccer, he's completely into it.  He will watch a soccer game in utter silence and stillness for long segments of time, only broken up by commercials.  Then again, he's five.

Football will die because more people are going to keep their kids from playing due to the injury risk.  What can be done?  It's nearly impossible to change the rules, even harder to change player behavior, so how will "football" in general be able to make the game safer?

Look at Luke Keuchly, last season when he left a game weeping, that was a pretty polarizing shot.  There were several media outlets that said he should retire.  Then Jonathan Jones wrote an interesting article (https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/17/luke-kuechly-concussion-carolina-panthers) and here comes the most interesting doctor's response I've seen:

and then:

So what I read from his comments is that the jury is still out about the nature and relationship between number of concussions and brain damage.  But from a parent's perspective, it's already done.  I hope he's right for Luke's sake, the rest in-between concussions is lessening his eventual brain damage (doesn't that make you sick?).

But talking to my son's friends, many of them want nothing to do with football for their sons.  One response from "that parent" (you know, the one you always roll your eyes too because they are super annoying) was that it was too competitive, and that her son couldn't keep up with the more aggressive and driven kids.  Makes me ill in another way...  But some parents in my experience don't want their children growing up playing football because it's competitive and is dangerous.

Honestly, it's an easy movement to get in, and you'll see a lot of parents who do so.  It's easy to look like a "caring parent" like this.  Sad, but true.

It's very possible the NFL goes away.

Stories like these should have been written to the nutjobs on Charlotte City Council and in the mayor’s office that shunned MLS yet have pumped $$$ into every other boondoggle in recent memory and think taxpayers are going to have to pay for a new Panthers Stadium.  Morons.

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1 hour ago, firefox1234 said:

Never understood this either, a bunch of elites have cornered youth soccer on the local level and no one has done anything about it....

Is this the case?  Why is that, or are muni's trying to get out of the youth sports thing?

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The NFL will definitely experience a lull and may change substantially, but I'm not convinced it will die off. 

When society swings too far in one direction there is a tendency to swing back and often "over correct".  For example, Kornheiser says football will experience a similar fate to boxing due to the brutality.  What's on the rise in place of boxing?  MMA, which is much more brutal IMO.  MMA is essentially a direct response to the "softening" of society with an over correction.

This is all framed as rating for NFL are declining yet college football popularity is still on the rise.  I'm not ready to say it's dying but that doesn't mean it isn't in jeopardy if they fail to address the issues.

Still lots of work to address concussions but it will eventually be figured out.

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4 hours ago, iBBB said:

The average NFL player salary is  $1.9mil and the end of the day, football is a job. None of the players play for our entertainment alone. 

 

I'm not sure why people don't understand that no one is forced to play football. I think NFL should just go ahead and declare that playing tackle football will 100% impact your brain health and all the reasons why playing football is dangerous. For this reason, the players are highly compensated. Nothing will change. There will be just as many players trying to play for 10 years and make as much money as possible. I know I would. 

I'm all for making it safer but there is a limit to what you can do trying to circumvent or soften a collision with a 250lb person at full speed. We might be at that limit in today's age. 

I know this sounds dull and inconsiderable, but at the end of the day, the players are sacrificing their bodies for an absurd amount of money and fame. It is their choice, unlike in the gladiator days. 

 

 

That's not the full scope of the problem though.  The NFL would still die off because the talent pool would dry up.  People aren't gonna put their kids in football anymore.   That trend started over a decade ago and shows no signs of stopping.  By the time the next generation gets to high school, significantly fewer of them will have any inclination to join the team.  Eventually, smaller college programs will begin shutting down.  The talent pool will just keep on shrinking to the point that the product on the field in the NFL greatly suffers.

Think of the issues we already see today with a dearth of offensive line talent across the league.  What happens if/when that extends to other position groups?  What if nobody wants to play linebacker anymore?  Then running back. Then defensive line.  These are the positions that have it the worst when it comes to CTE - and the result is that, over time, there won't be enough players that are truly at an NFL level to fill out all the rosters.

I already feel like the product on the field in the NFL is suffering.  I don't think it's yet due the problem I just described, but I absolutely think that, over the next 10 years, the problems the game already has will be exacerbated by a lack of marquee talent.

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