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A new Stanford study suggests that American public opinion on nuclear weapons usage has not fundamentally changed since 1945, and many people would support the use of such weapons to kill millions of civilians if the U.S. found itself in a similar wartime situation.

 

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The results showed little support for the so-called “nuclear taboo” thesis, or that the principle of “noncombatant immunity” – civilian protection from such weapons – has become a deeply held norm in America. This month marks the 72nd anniversary of the atomic bomb used against Japan to help end World War II. Hiroshima was bombed Aug. 6 and Nagasaki was bombed on Aug. 9, 1945.

Sagan said it suggests that the U.S. public’s support for the principle of noncombatant immunity is “shallow and easily overcome by the pressures of war.”

When considering the use of nuclear weapons, the majority of Americans prioritize protecting U.S. troops and achieving American war aims, even when doing so would result in the deliberate killing of millions of foreign noncombatants, according to Sagan and Valentino.

Sagan noted, “The most shocking finding of our study is that 60 percent of Americans would approve of killing 2 million Iranian civilians to prevent an invasion of Iran that might kill 20,000 U.S. soldiers.”

They explain that a number of variables – Republican Party identification, older age, and approval of the death penalty for convicted murderers – significantly increase support for using nuclear weapons against Iran.

 

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Their findings demonstrate that, contrary to the nuclear taboo thesis, a clear majority of Americans would approve of using nuclear weapons first against the civilian population of a nonnuclear-armed adversary, even killing 2 million Iranian civilians, if they believed that such use would save the lives of 20,000 U.S. soldiers.

In addition, contrary to the principle of noncombatant immunity, an even larger percentage of Americans would approve of a conventional bombing attack designed to kill 100,000 Iranian civilians in the effort to intimidate Iran into surrendering, according to Sagan.

The research also shows that women support nuclear weapons use and violations of noncombatant immunity no less (and in some cases, more) than male respondents, they wrote.

“Women are as hawkish as men and, in some scenarios, are even more willing to support the use of nuclear weapons,” Sagan added.  “Most polls about war show that women are more dovish than men, but this is because they are more protective of their loved ones. If they are forced to choose between killing U.S. soldiers and killing foreign civilians, those same instincts appear to lead to more support for dropping the bomb.”

 

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“Belief in the value of retribution is strongly related to support for using nuclear weapons, and a large majority of those who favor the use of nuclear weapons against Iran stated that the Iranian people bore some of the responsibility for that attack because they had not overthrown their government,” he and his co-author wrote.

The conclusions are stark and disturbing, Sagan said.

“These findings highlight the limited extent to which the U.S. public has accepted the principles of just war doctrine and suggest that public opinion is unlikely to be a serious constraint on any president contemplating the use of nuclear weapons in the crucible of war,” Sagan and Valentino wrote.

 

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These people are just “supporting the troops” :fear:

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Well if Trump gets his way we may just find out if this poll accurately reflects public opinion.  Sadly it probably does.  Most here and in general society lack any real perspective when it comes to American imperialism/warmongering.

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I'm against it and I might be one of the 20,000 killed. It's deplorable but more than that we have no business being in Iran.

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1 hour ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Well if Trump gets his way we may just find out if this poll accurately reflects public opinion.  Sadly it probably does.  Most here and in general society lack any real perspective when it comes to American imperialism/warmongering.

Do you guys not understand that Iranians literally chant death to america and death to israel all the time?? they want us to be smoldering heap of ash and they are getting closer thanks to the obama adminstration.

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25 minutes ago, Toolbox said:

Do you guys not understand that Iranians literally chant death to america and death to israel all the time?? they want us to be smoldering heap of ash and they are getting closer thanks to the obama adminstration.

Are you scared of your own shadow?

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27 minutes ago, Toolbox said:

Do you guys not understand that Iranians literally chant death to america and death to israel all the time?? they want us to be smoldering heap of ash and they are getting closer thanks to the obama adminstration.

Its no more common than neckbeards and rednecks in the US that go on "religion of peace" tirades and routinely espouse literal genocide as the only answer.

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9 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Are you scared of your own shadow?

 

5 minutes ago, Floppin said:

Its no more common than neckbeards and rednecks in the US that go on "religion of peace" tirades and routinely espouse literal genocide as the only answer.

Really? let me know when 10s of thousands of people are lined up outside listening to trump chanting death to iran and all of them chanting it with him.

 

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3 minutes ago, TheRed said:

You poor thing. You're trembling.

You aren't even making any sense.. take your meds and go to bed dummy.

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50 minutes ago, Toolbox said:

Do you guys not understand that Iranians literally chant death to america and death to israel all the time?? they want us to be smoldering heap of ash and they are getting closer thanks to the obama adminstration.

damn iran sounds cool as hell

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