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1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

What I found most concerning about this game (and others) is just how well defenses seem to be able to anticipate what we're doing.

We're predictable, very predictable, and I think we all know why.

Not for Clay Matthews at least.

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1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

We've seen Shula draw up plays that sent two receivers to the same area for several years, and it's been called out by commentators frequently (including Aikman this past weekend).

Three in one spot may mean someone made a mistake, but it may not since two in one place is a regular occurrence.

The QBs/receivers/coaches know these plays inside-out. Do you really think after countless practices and playbook studying and film, that this wouldn’t be addressed by any of them off the field if it was by design? I remember an article a while back talking about how approachable and open-minded Shula is to input from the players when it comes to the offense. It’s not like they would be uncomfortable to address obviously flawed designs like this if it were intentional. Even if this happens on multiple occasions, I’m still inclined to believe it was a miscommunication or an execution issue because the alternative makes much less sense.

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6 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

The QBs/receivers/coaches know these plays inside-out. Do you really think after countless practices and playbook studying and film, that this wouldn’t be addressed by any of them off the field if it was by design? I remember an article a while back talking about how approachable and open-minded Shula is to input from the players when it comes to the offense. It’s not like they would be uncomfortable to address obviously flawed designs like this if it were intentional. Even if this happens on multiple occasions, I’m still inclined to believe it was a miscommunication or an execution issue because the alternative makes much less sense.

yes people here truly believe Shula and Rivera are complete idiots that have somehow landed their jobs, so bad they would do something repeatedly so ignorant. you can make sensible suggestions but the majority here rather bash the coach instead of their favorite players. what's more likely to happen? a play drawn up that puts two or three players in the same spot or one or two players run the wrong route? but then again, it happens a handful times a season but here it is like it happens a handful of times every game.

my criticisms of our staff are more about adapting week to week or exposing other teams flaws and weaknesses where i feel that we have one approach that if it works great, if not, oh well thats what we do.

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27 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Not for Clay Matthews at least.

If Matthews hadn't opened his mouth, that play might not have occurred.

22 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

The QBs/receivers/coaches know these plays inside-out. Do you really think after countless practices and playbook studying and film, that this wouldn’t be addressed by any of them off the field if it was by design? I remember an article a while back talking about how approachable and open-minded Shula is to input from the players when it comes to the offense. It’s not like they would be uncomfortable to address obviously flawed designs like this if it were intentional. Even if this happens on multiple occasions, I’m still inclined to believe it was a miscommunication or an execution issue because the alternative makes much less sense.

Then why does it keep happening?

Why do we continue seeing this? Are the players all idiots?

Why have we heard announcers making mention of this for years now but it still continues?

Why so defensive players look like they're running the routes for us?

Shula and Rivera don't have to be total idiots. They just have to be not as smart as their opponents.

That's what I believe to be true.

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2 hours ago, Mikey815 said:

When the last time Drew Brees had a passing performance like that? Can’t recall

Interestingly enough, the defense is set on its heels when a competent play-caller (Payton) is calling plays rather than an utterly predictable play caller (Shula).

Golly, who could have ever predicted a great QB in an offensive system that keeps the defense guessing is more often successful passing the ball than a QB in an offensive system that saves their passing for utterly predictable passing downs needing long completions?  Its almost... how do you say.... a LOGICAL outcome.

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55 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

So much for brady being a surefire first ballot. What a joke

What 11 yeArs ago lol? Let’s hope Cam and the rest of the offense and coaches come up big in the biggest game of the year

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Watch the plays run by teams like the Saints and the Eagles, then come back and watch ours.

It's night and day.

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Notice how the flats are almost always open for a quick easy 5 yards. Also, look how far the CB plays off the WR. Why not try a quick out route? 

Shula is beyond terrible. Sad we are wasting Cam's potential like this. 

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Watch the plays run by teams like the Saints and the Eagles, then come back and watch ours.

It's night and day.

Thats y nobody wants Shula as a head coach

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3 hours ago, PantherBrew said:

Atlanta linebackers had no worries about the running game.  

We got to get out of these empty sets. 

Well said. We all know cam isn’t the most accurate, so the d needs to be on the heels and be caught guessing. We need a run game...not one from our qb either.

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4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

If Matthews hadn't opened his mouth, that play might not have occurred.

Then why does it keep happening?

Why do we continue seeing this? Are the players all idiots?

Why have we heard announcers making mention of this for years now but it still continues?

Why so defensive players look like they're running the routes for us?

Shula and Rivera don't have to be total idiots. They just have to be not as smart as their opponents.

That's what I believe to be true.

To the first point: either you’re suggesting that Cam audibled after hearing that comment (which the video/audio does not support) or that he made it a point to key in on McCaffrey after the comment. The latter has nothing to do with Shula, unless you think McCaffrey was not supposed to be a primary read on that play according to its design. But then we’re just getting into unproductive, baseless speculation...and the fact that McCaffrey was highlighted on that entire drive would make it hard to believe he wasn’t designed to be a primary read for the touchdown as well.

I’m not sure how you can say Shula doesn’t have to be an idiot to intentionally draw up plays that call for two receivers to run to the same location. That is fundamentally stupid. Then you question “are the players all idiots?” at the simple notion that a player could occasionally mess up a route. That seems a bit dramatic from a normally level-headed poster. You act like the potential for a miscue between a QB and a WR is so rare, when in reality it happens to every team. Admittedly I don’t watch a ton of other teams, but off the top of my head I recall a miscue for the Redskins at the end of their game against the Saints that caused an intentional grounding penalty that essentially lost them the game. There was also a miscue between Aaron Rodgers and Geronimo Allison in our game against them a few weeks ago. Hell, we even had one just this past game where Greg and Cam were clearly not on the same page and Cam threw it to no one. It is not super uncommon...receivers run the wrong route sometimes. You can’t suggest it happens to us more than anyone unless you can say with sincerity that you commit to watching every team as you do with the Panthers.

When you say “why does this keep happening?”, what is the frequency that this occurs - when two receivers run routes to the same part of the field? Maybe once every 2-3 games at most? Do you really think it’s unfathomable that once every 2-3 games we could have a receiver that ran a wrong route on one play? Especially with our relatively green, inexperienced, patchwork receiving corps? Like I said, the alternative would be Shula intentionally having two receivers run routes to the same area of the field which is much harder to believe if you think logically. Because the implication of that would be that no one on-or-off the field would have questioned a play intentionally designed in that way. I’m willing to bet that if Greg Olsen saw a play that he thought was extremely stupid as so many people on these boards think about so many of Shula’s plays, that he would address it in the film room or with Shula/Ron personally. Shula doesn’t strike me as an egomaniac who would dismiss the input from his own players, and I even briefly mentioned an article in the past that explicitly said that he welcomes that input. 

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All I want to know is who scouted and help make the final decisions to play these wrs. Shepard and Clay are clearly special teamers.  We continue to pick our on trash back up...no one else wants it so I will just keep filling up our trash can. Now all we have is trash at wrs spot. 

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