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Watch the plays run by teams like the Saints and the Eagles, then come back and watch ours.

It's night and day.

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Notice how the flats are almost always open for a quick easy 5 yards. Also, look how far the CB plays off the WR. Why not try a quick out route? 

Shula is beyond terrible. Sad we are wasting Cam's potential like this. 

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Watch the plays run by teams like the Saints and the Eagles, then come back and watch ours.

It's night and day.

Thats y nobody wants Shula as a head coach

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3 hours ago, PantherBrew said:

Atlanta linebackers had no worries about the running game.  

We got to get out of these empty sets. 

Well said. We all know cam isn’t the most accurate, so the d needs to be on the heels and be caught guessing. We need a run game...not one from our qb either.

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4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

If Matthews hadn't opened his mouth, that play might not have occurred.

Then why does it keep happening?

Why do we continue seeing this? Are the players all idiots?

Why have we heard announcers making mention of this for years now but it still continues?

Why so defensive players look like they're running the routes for us?

Shula and Rivera don't have to be total idiots. They just have to be not as smart as their opponents.

That's what I believe to be true.

To the first point: either you’re suggesting that Cam audibled after hearing that comment (which the video/audio does not support) or that he made it a point to key in on McCaffrey after the comment. The latter has nothing to do with Shula, unless you think McCaffrey was not supposed to be a primary read on that play according to its design. But then we’re just getting into unproductive, baseless speculation...and the fact that McCaffrey was highlighted on that entire drive would make it hard to believe he wasn’t designed to be a primary read for the touchdown as well.

I’m not sure how you can say Shula doesn’t have to be an idiot to intentionally draw up plays that call for two receivers to run to the same location. That is fundamentally stupid. Then you question “are the players all idiots?” at the simple notion that a player could occasionally mess up a route. That seems a bit dramatic from a normally level-headed poster. You act like the potential for a miscue between a QB and a WR is so rare, when in reality it happens to every team. Admittedly I don’t watch a ton of other teams, but off the top of my head I recall a miscue for the Redskins at the end of their game against the Saints that caused an intentional grounding penalty that essentially lost them the game. There was also a miscue between Aaron Rodgers and Geronimo Allison in our game against them a few weeks ago. Hell, we even had one just this past game where Greg and Cam were clearly not on the same page and Cam threw it to no one. It is not super uncommon...receivers run the wrong route sometimes. You can’t suggest it happens to us more than anyone unless you can say with sincerity that you commit to watching every team as you do with the Panthers.

When you say “why does this keep happening?”, what is the frequency that this occurs - when two receivers run routes to the same part of the field? Maybe once every 2-3 games at most? Do you really think it’s unfathomable that once every 2-3 games we could have a receiver that ran a wrong route on one play? Especially with our relatively green, inexperienced, patchwork receiving corps? Like I said, the alternative would be Shula intentionally having two receivers run routes to the same area of the field which is much harder to believe if you think logically. Because the implication of that would be that no one on-or-off the field would have questioned a play intentionally designed in that way. I’m willing to bet that if Greg Olsen saw a play that he thought was extremely stupid as so many people on these boards think about so many of Shula’s plays, that he would address it in the film room or with Shula/Ron personally. Shula doesn’t strike me as an egomaniac who would dismiss the input from his own players, and I even briefly mentioned an article in the past that explicitly said that he welcomes that input. 

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All I want to know is who scouted and help make the final decisions to play these wrs. Shepard and Clay are clearly special teamers.  We continue to pick our on trash back up...no one else wants it so I will just keep filling up our trash can. Now all we have is trash at wrs spot. 

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I know everyone likes to talk about separation but there is more to it then that.  This isn't high school where some 5 star receiver is dramatically quicker then all of the average players on the field.  There are plenty of teams in this league that get receivers open that have similar speed of what we have out there.

I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see us add oome dynamic playmakers to the offense but look at that first play.  You could have 5 Desean Jacksons running those routes and it would look the same.  We basically ran 5 five yard routes and Atlanta had 6 defenders covering that yardage with a single safety deep.

Maybe its play design or play calling, maybe we went too much to the short passing attack.  I know Byrd and Samuel have been hurt but that doesn't mean you can't throw deep some.  Try to get Cmc on LB and send him deep.  Throw deep to Funchess, I know he isn't a burner but let him try to use his size.  Throwing deep can help you even when it isn't successful. 

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35 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

I know everyone likes to talk about separation but there is more to it then that.  This isn't high school where some 5 star receiver is dramatically quicker then all of the average players on the field.  There are plenty of teams in this league that get receivers open that have similar speed of what we have out there.

I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see us add oome dynamic playmakers to the offense but look at that first play.  You could have 5 Desean Jacksons running those routes and it would look the same.  We basically ran 5 five yard routes and Atlanta had 6 defenders covering that yardage with a single safety deep.

Maybe its play design or play calling, maybe we went too much to the short passing attack.  I know Byrd and Samuel have been hurt but that doesn't mean you can't throw deep some.  Try to get Cmc on LB and send him deep.  Throw deep to Funchess, I know he isn't a burner but let him try to use his size.  Throwing deep can help you even when it isn't successful. 

We can see what the problem is by looking at the tape. It's play design and scheme. Here is the first 6 plays of the ATL game. 

1st Play

This was a pure spacing play so all short digs. No deep routes. 

2nd Play

Two verticals. Two delayed flats. One delayed HB in/out. 

No underneath route to open up the deep routes. They were verticals so could'nt of had a levels concept to begin with but still. For the record I really dislike having two vertical routes on the same play. It is by far the lowest % route in football. 

3rd Play

3 slants. 1 flat route. 1 delayed HB release. 

No real levels concept here. Maybe the delayed HB route but the slant was already breaking by then. 

4th Play

1 shallow drag. 1 flat route. 1 post. 1 post that turns into a vertical. 

This is the first true levels concept play I see. I love these types of plays. Hard for a D to cover all this. 

5th Play

1 out route. 1 curl/deep in?. 1 curl. 2 delayed routes. 

Here we have a levels concept albeit delayed. The deep curl and delayed curl compliment each other. 

6th Play

3 deep curls. 1 delayed HB release. 

No real levels concept here. Well, maybe if you consider the HB delayed release. 

Recap / Notes

1. Only one true levels concept / shallow drag used. 

2. Flats and delayed routes are left wide open on nearly all plays to which Cam doesn't attack. 

3. CBs are playing way off the outside WRs ie we need to try outroutes or screens

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2 hours ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

We can see what the problem is by looking at the tape. It's play design and scheme. Here is the first 6 plays of the ATL game. 

1st Play

This was a pure spacing play so all short digs. No deep routes. 

2nd Play

Two verticals. Two delayed flats. One delayed HB in/out. 

No underneath route to open up the deep routes. They were verticals so could'nt of had a levels concept to begin with but still. For the record I really dislike having two vertical routes on the same play. It is by far the lowest % route in football. 

3rd Play

3 slants. 1 flat route. 1 delayed HB release. 

No real levels concept here. Maybe the delayed HB route but the slant was already breaking by then. 

4th Play

1 shallow drag. 1 flat route. 1 post. 1 post that turns into a vertical. 

This is the first true levels concept play I see. I love these types of plays. Hard for a D to cover all this. 

5th Play

1 out route. 1 curl/deep in?. 1 curl. 2 delayed routes. 

Here we have a levels concept albeit delayed. The deep curl and delayed curl compliment each other. 

6th Play

3 deep curls. 1 delayed HB release. 

No real levels concept here. Well, maybe if you consider the HB delayed release. 

Recap / Notes

1. Only one true levels concept / shallow drag used. 

2. Flats and delayed routes are left wide open on nearly all plays to which Cam doesn't attack. 

3. CBs are playing way off the outside WRs ie we need to try outroutes or screens

impressive work

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If you want to get routes open in the middle of the field, you must use level concepts. 

The times we had the most people open in those 6 plays was when we used levels concepts. 

No surprise. But for some reason Shula only used this 2 times in those 6 plays. My mind is literally blown at how inept he is. My little sister could figure this stuff out. 

It will be a miracle if we when a superbowl with Shula calling plays.  

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