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REPORT: Panthers will hire Norv Turner as OC

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Just now, Cartel de Carolina said:

Cam can throw short and is actually more accurate throwing short. He sails more medium and deep balls than short. 

 

This isn’t true in the slightest.

Cam is an elite long ball thrower when he’s actually got the time and the weapons to do so.

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Just now, Cartel de Carolina said:

That worked out great this year. 

Not that easy. 

Did we not just fire our offensive coordinator and QB coach?

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Just now, Cartel de Carolina said:

Got stats to back that up?

Were you in hibernation during the 2015 season or something?

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Just now, mjligon said:

Were you in hibernation during the 2015 season or something?

Maybe the D was keying in on the run leaving deep open? 

Thousand variables to consider. 

Cam can make all the throws. To think otherwise is absurd. 

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Just now, Cartel de Carolina said:

Maybe the D was keying in on the run leaving deep open? 

Thousand variables to consider. 

Cam can make all the throws. To think otherwise is absurd. 

I never said he couldn’t.

I said that he is better as a medium to long ball thrower.

He doesn’t fit a West Coast offense.

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WCO

Air Coryell

Option

Idc what offense you're in, but we need someone who can make in-game adjustments. If we see a weakness, we can exploit in the 2nd quarter. We don't need a if it works it works, if it doesn't oh well offense. Can Norv do that?

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29 minutes ago, JARROD said:

I think you guys are crazy.

WCO is just a language. Football is football.

Coaches run their own iterations of everything anyway. Some feature tightends, some pass catching running backs, some hate tightends. Some like short routes, some like more timing and hard squared off routes, some like rounded. 

You guys are acting like football systems are like rigid old kungfu styles or something.

Cam makes plenty of short and medium throw touchdowns. We’ve seen him do plenty of 3 and 5 step drops this year, so I don’t know what everyone is talking about.

In 2011 Cam threw 450 yards to Stewart and about that to Deangelo Williams, proof.

 

 

Basically this, when people refer to things like WCO or "Air Coryell", what you're really talking about is the terminology used to teach, classify and call plays. You can run any kind of offense with any kind of system. The Patriots use a system that was originally designed for a conservative power run offense, but have adapted it for a no-huddle offense built around quick/short passes. 

With that said, I don't think it makes much sense to change how the entire playbook is written in year 8. What we need to improve is the week by week game planning and our situational play calling during the game. Offensive football isn't all that complicated, when you boil it down to the basics, all you're trying to do is create one on one matchups that your guys can win. That's where I feel Shula was most lacking, his play calls and gameplans often left our guys in positions where it was very difficult to make a play.

If you can stomach a little (ok maybe a lot) of Patriot's ball washing, this article is very informative on the subject,

http://grantland.com/features/how-terminology-erhardt-perkins-system-helped-maintain-dominance-tom-brady-patriots/

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Just now, beastson said:

WCO

Air Coryell

Option

Idc what offense you're in, but we need someone who can make in-game adjustments. If we see a weakness, we can exploit in the 2nd quarter. We don't need a if it works it works, if it doesn't oh well offense. Can Norv do that?

Yes

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Just now, mjligon said:

That’s great and all but you’re missing the point.

Cam is better suited in an air coryell system 

Your missing the point. 

You have to take what the defense gives you. 

If the D is going to leave the flats and underneath open you take it.

If the D is going to play underneath and take away the short stuff you hit them medium to long. 

If the D is going to stack the box you throw the ball.

If the D is going to leave the box light you try to make them pay with the run. 

If the D is playing the run aggressively you hit them with play action.

If the DBs are playing 10 yards off the WRs you hit them with some quick outs. 

etc etc. 

 

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