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Final Four and do teams really need an elite qb

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you ppl are fuging retarded

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A great defense doesn’t last long, just ask the Broncos and Seahawks 

 

With a great QB you will be competitive for a decade plus.

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So excluding this year and Tom Brady, name me the past Superbowl representatives that aren’t from round 1 or 2 since 2010.

I’ll wait.

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This year is an outlier like 2012. Except for 2012 (Flacco), the Super Bowl quarterback from the AFC since 2003 has been Brady, Payton Manning or Big Ben.

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In the NFL, it is about constantly adapting.

For years now, the league has been a passing league, predominantly. That is because good defenses, like ours, focus on controlling the field in front of them and, in turn, keying on containing the run game.

This season, we're seeing some transition back towards ball control offense and stout defensive squads that are well rounded from front to back.

Pats - they were/are always this way. They are the standard that nobody else can really seem to figure out still. Ball control. Run when you want. Pass when you have to. Do both well. On defense, it is as simple as "do your job" and it applies to whomever they are plugging and playing at the time. Their defensive line, at the beginning of the season, was scrambling to find capable DEs to get on the field and help withe pass rush to take the pressure of their safeties and CBs.

Jags - I said a season or two ago that they were building one of the best DB squads in the league. They are young too. You won't pass effectively on them, but just in case you do, they've got a capable offense now with at least three WRs better than the Panthers have at all, and a power running back with a more than capable complimentary back to answer. Jacksonville even uses the FB/HBack position more than a lot of teams are using now. Bortles is actually just adequate, and is currently doing a good Jake Delhomme impression of doing what his offense is designed to allow him to do.

Vikes - Keenum is another Jake Delhomme scenario. He is playing great, yes. But he has two of the best WRs in the league in Thielen and Diggs (Smitty and Moose, anyone?) and a great TE stable to work with. His line is not great, but they are adequate. His run game took a hit early in the season loosing Cook, the rookie, but they've adapted well with Murray/Mckinnon. They are very good defensively, especially in the secondary. They are good on ST as well. They basically have a bunch of lunch pail guys, like the Patriots, out there doing their jobs.

Philly - This is actually worse than a Jake Delhomme scenario. Foles will do just enough to let his run game and defense do the work. I don't think they'll beat the Vikings but, again, similar formula. Run the ball, throw to your good WRs and TE, and let your defense wear down/control the opposition.

It really isn't that hard.

Yes, Brady is the only elite QB of the bunch, but his entire career has been made of what these other teams are catching up to. Play to your strengths, control the ball and clock, and trust your QB to make the throws when you need them the most.

No, you don't need an elite QB. You need people to do their jobs. It starts with the head coach, the coordinators and then the players. If you execute a well designed gameplan, the odds are always in your favor. That is how you win games, especially big/end-of-season games. By that time, you're a well oiled machine.

The Panthers fail at this because we're trying to force players into roles they don't fit in. From Cam to CMC to Funchess to any speedy WR we've tried to field not named Ted Ginn. We're also too loyal to players past their prime (I would have rathered Charles Johnson be gone years ago,) we don't give our young guys fair shots, and our schemes are poorly designed. The successes we have had have actually been because of raw talent, not lack thereof.

Until we adapt and get ahead/back into the curve, we'll continue to be on a roller coaster.

 

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16 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

So excluding this year and Tom Brady, name me the past Superbowl representatives that aren’t from round 1 or 2 since 2010.

I’ll wait.

That doesn't matter. How many first round QB duds are out there?

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32 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

So excluding this year and Tom Brady, name me the past Superbowl representatives that aren’t from round 1 or 2 since 2010.

I’ll wait.

Russell Wilson x 2.

But in reality, the list of mediocre to poor QB's to win the Super Bowl is quite a long one. 

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1 minute ago, Chairman Wow said:

Russell Wilson x 2.

But in reality, the list of mediocre to poor QB's to win the Super Bowl is quite a long one. 

Russell Wilson was from round 2. I included rounds 1 and 2 in that statement

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3 minutes ago, theballboy said:

What happened to guys like Peyton and Marino? Peyton shouldve won more. Honestly, Peyton won “1”. Von Miller and that defense won Peyton a second one. 

Brady and the Patriots created a dynasty bc of a spectacular defense. The defense of NE was what help win the first 3 SBs. You can say that the last two SBs were won bc of Brady, but not the first 2. 

So what you're saying is that if Jake Delhomme was ...

Obviously a dynasty has many puzzle pieces. But without an elite QB ... you're the Bucs or Ravens.

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Reality is, either a team has an elite QB, an elite supporting cast, or an elite defense that allows them to reach the superbowl.

The Eagles, Vikings, and Jaguars all have top 3 defenses according to DVOA. ANY/A value also has the Jaguars defense on par with the ‘13 Seahawks and top 6 ever.

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1 minute ago, Saca312 said:

Russell Wilson was from round 2. I included rounds 1 and 2 in that statement

Wrong.

Russell Wilson was the 75th overall pick in 2012.

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Just now, Chairman Wow said:

Wrong.

Russell Wilson was the 75th overall pick in 2012.

Whoops you’re right. I don’t know what I was thinking over there lol.

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Either way, trend is with most superbowl QBs is that they’re from round one or were considered round one talents with concerns over physical traits.

If that’s not the case, then they have an elite supporting cast with at least a great to elite defense to support.

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19 minutes ago, Still Brooklyn said:

No, you don't need an elite QB to ... win.

You want a dynasty? Yes you do need one. #Brady

The Redskins won 3 Super Bowls in 10 years with 3 different quarterbacks:  Joe Theismann, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien.

Theismann was good, but not great. Williams and Rypien were basically mediocre to poor journeymen. 

Can you name another coach other than Joe Gibbs to win 3 Super Bowls with 3 different starting quarterbacks???

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