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This draft class may not be the strongest...

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What started as a search on Orlando Brown, and perusing different scouting reports, has led me to some skepticism regarding this draft class as a whole.  Not to say that there won't be your usual surprises, revelations and busts, but I think that maybe we should go into the draft with more of an open mind because at many positions there isn't necessarily a big gap between the first and third rounders this year. Yes, there is the Combine, Senior Bowl and East-West Shrine Game, but that thought is not likely going to change that much because the preponderance of the guys have been scouted for years. But, like Matt Miller said, here's to hoping that we find that gem.

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If you're putting a lot of faith in 2018 to turn around your franchise, you'd better hope the front office is equipped to find a diamond in the rough.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2743367-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-is-this-the-worst-draft-class-of-the-decade

This is pre-2017 season, but here's an ex-NFL guy on Brown: http://www.profootballweekly.com/lists/2017/05/30/eb51f897f8ef46dca99509c96f0b19e4/index.xml?page=1
 

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Based on 2016 tape, I doubt Brown can play left tackle at the NFL level. He just isn’t quick or agile enough to be able to stay with NFL speed rushers. He can find a home on the right side, but he will need to improve his foot quickness and learn to play with better bend to be at his best. There is a lot of upside but he needs technique and agility work. It will be interesting to see how he progresses this season.

 

 

 

 

Whether he progressed in these specific areas, I don't know, but perhaps someone can give us insight into that.  Where you at Big Ugly purveyors...? Walter Football may (or may not) have some updated info. http://walterfootball.com/draft2018OT.php

 

I am a WR guy, and I've already let you know how I feel about the class in the other thread, and reading some others' thoughts on the subject, my mind hasn't changed. I told you that you might want to value the free agents a little more, and Cleveland.com's Matt Goul agrees. 

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Jarvis Landry should be in line for a big pay day, and this draft class might help his case. ESPN’s Mel Kiper Jr. and Todd McShay acknowledged in their Jan. 9 podcast that this could be a poor class, citing drops and poor play by top prospects Kirk, Ridley and Sutton behind their reasoning. Those three, plus Oklahoma State’s Washington, are receiving projections into the first two rounds.

 

 

 

 

I've already seen a few posts on here bemoaning some quality DE and DT prospects deciding to continue their college careers and thereby making this class weaker at the positions, so I really don't know what to think about this either.  We never know how the draft is going to go, but there should be some quality defensive backs available.  One thought is that perhaps teams will make a run on QBs, and will push other quality players down, but even the QBs aren't necessarily first round material, and many believe that there isn't a big difference between the  projected first rounder(s) and the subsequent rounds. And, even if there is a rush, because the draft is not really loaded with true first rounders, then we're not necessarily going to be gaining a whole lot if teams decide to pick QBs in front of us. 

Like I said, DBs are intriguing, as well as RBs, but perhaps there isn't enough of a distinction to justify taking one in the first. I don't know. I think that this draft and strategy is going to be wide open as for what actually happens.  As such, at least to me, if there is someone to be gained in free agency at any need-based position, then we might wanna go after them. 

 

Look over this article to familiarize yourself with the "players" in the 2018 draft at every position. It's not too long, and at least it will put some people on your mind.  And, by all means, give us your thoughts.

On an off note, with the daft class being a little "meh" as it is, perhaps the Hurney haters will find comfort in knowing that there is not too much to screw up or lose. I read somewhere (in different words) that this might be the perfect draft to trade down and amass more picks so that you can throw a little more darts on the board and see if they stick.  Moreover, it might be a good draft to roll the dice and divvy up a few picks to get who you want in free agency also. We'll see.

 

 

 

 

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Hurney's biggest sins as a GM were cap management and trading up. He was always a good first round picker. It was only when he started moving up in drafts that he missed. 

If this is a reformed Hurney, I agree that he may stay put instead or accumulate more picks. He'll pick during his first round, but I could see him playing around with our 2nd and two 3rd rounders to accumulating more.

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I don’t think it is a particularly good draft this year. Losing three likely first round DL really hurts for us looking for another DE. S seems decent and they usually drop a bit more than say CBs so that could definitely be there for us. I don’t think OT is much better than last year so that’s a bit weak.

What would be nice is if the talk about WRs being weak helps them drop a bit. Maybe they regressed a bit from 2016 and maybe that creates some value. Maybe Ridley could drop far. Might not be a bad thing. I just hope the weaker class makes the QBs fly up the boards. That’s what we need at 1.24.

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Maybe Hurney learned his lesson and will take advantage of another GM the way they did to him by trading our 2nd this year for some team's 1st next year...

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The whole class is kinda weak. Even if there is a rush on QBs, we still may not end up with a heavy-hitter-day-one starter.  Of course we are kinda weak at in the defensive backfield department.

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32 minutes ago, top dawg said:

What started as a search on Orlando Brown, and perusing different scouting reports, has led me to some skepticism regarding this draft class as a whole.  Not to say that there won't be your usual surprises, revelations and busts, but I think that maybe we should go into the draft with more of an open mind because at many positions there isn't necessarily a big gap between the first and third rounders this year. Yes, there is the Combine, Senior Bowl and East-West Shrine Game, but that thought is not likely going to change that much because the preponderance of the guys have been scouted for years. But, like Matt Miller said, here's to hoping that we find that gem.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2743367-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-is-this-the-worst-draft-class-of-the-decade

This is pre-2017 season, but here's an ex-NFL guy on Brown: http://www.profootballweekly.com/lists/2017/05/30/eb51f897f8ef46dca99509c96f0b19e4/index.xml?page=1
 

 

Whether he progressed in these specific areas, I don't know, but perhaps someone can give us insight into that.  Where you at Big Ugly purveyors...? Walter Football may (or may not) have some updated info. http://walterfootball.com/draft2018OT.php

 

I am a WR guy, and I've already let you know how I feel about the class in the other thread, and reading some others' thoughts on the subject, my mind hasn't changed. I told you that you might want to value the free agents a little more, and Cleveland.com's Matt Goul agrees. 

 

I've already seen a few posts on here bemoaning some quality DE and DT prospects deciding to continue their college careers and thereby making this class weaker at the positions, so I really don't know what to think about this either.  We never know how the draft is going to go, but there should be some quality defensive backs available.  One thought is that perhaps teams will make a run on QBs, and will push other quality players down, but even the QBs aren't necessarily first round material, and many believe that there isn't a big difference between the  projected first rounder(s) and the subsequent rounds. And, even if there is a rush, because the draft is not really loaded with true first rounders, then we're not necessarily going to be gaining a whole lot if teams decide to pick QBs in front of us. 

Like I said, DBs are intriguing, as well as RBs, but perhaps there isn't enough of a distinction to justify taking one in the first. I don't know. I think that this draft and strategy is going to be wide open as for what actually happens.  As such, at least to me, if there is someone to be gained in free agency at any need-based position, then we might wanna go after them. 

 

Look over this article to familiarize yourself with the "players" in the 2018 draft at every position. It's not too long, and at least it will put some people on your mind.  And, by all means, give us your thoughts.

On an off note, with the daft class being a little "meh" as it is, perhaps the Hurney haters will find comfort in knowing that there is not too much to screw up or lose. I read somewhere (in different words) that this might be the perfect draft to trade down and amass more picks so that you can throw a little more darts on the board and see if they stick.  Moreover, it might be a good draft to roll the dice and divvy up a few picks to get who you want in free agency also. We'll see.

 

 

 

 

Draft classes just keep getting weaker and weaker.

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This is the perfect draft to load up in the secondary. Get 2 safteys and 1 or 2 good corners. Can cut Coleman and Adams. We'll have alot of CBs but thats good for the competition, we need a huge upgrade at CB and both safteys.  We're likely going to have to wait until next year to upgrade DE and replace Davis at OLB.

We really shoud also get a TE . Andrews, Goedert, Hurst, Fumagali , Gesicki . Keep in mind I think Dickson is a free agent too, combine that with Olsen being injured last year .. 

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41 minutes ago, top dawg said:

The whole class is kinda weak. Even if there is a rush on QBs, we still may not end up as a heavy-hitter-day-one starter.  Of course we are kinda weak at in the defensive backfield department.

Yea and 1st round DEs rarely make an impact anyway in their first year. I’d rather splash for one in FA even if it means giving up star

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I can't remember if it's my fourth or fifth beer.  Either way, I feel some type of way about people appreciating effort.  Huddlers need to appreciate effort,  even if they don't necessarily agree with every point. Just my 0.02. 

I'm about to get another Corona. So,  fug y'all, good or bad.  

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Just like just about every other draft, there will be some highly touted prospects drafted high in the 1st that bust and there will be overlooked guys drafted in the mid-late rounds that go on to be All-Pros.

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I agree. This is why we need to nail free agency. I don’t have too much faith in this class so we will have to make some tough cuts this year.

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9 hours ago, top dawg said:

The whole class is kinda weak. Even if there is a rush on QBs, we still may not end up as a heavy-hitter-day-one starter.  Of course we are kinda weak at in the defensive backfield department.

KB, Shaq, Butler....bar not real high

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